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I believe still has something like only 5 at bats vs pitchers younger than him and now he’s starting to show good progression at the level. On a smaller scale, this is a perfect example of why you do not rush guys to the majors. You bring a guy up too soon, he can have all the talent in the world and struggle a lot. You bring a guy up when he’s ready, not when the player at his position at the MLB level is struggling. In a perfect world those things align, but they often do not.
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Suzuki vs Story - Early Returns on Investment
Hugh2 replied to vjcsmoke's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Personally I don’t understand why we didn’t sign D.J. LeMahieu to a 10 year 50 million dollar contract, at 5 million a year that would have been a good deal. Why didn’t we sign Ohtani at 2 million per year? Sox need to extend Devers at 4 million per year for 6 years. That would be a good deal. Good deals are there for the Sox when NO OTHER team is willing to step in and out if and yet we NEVER make good deals, just bad deals. Smh -
Suzuki vs Story - Early Returns on Investment
Hugh2 replied to vjcsmoke's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Story has the same AWAY career OPS as Bogaerts. -
I think it's a really good bet by the time game #162 is played that Casas has taken a major league at bat.
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Never said I was worried, I think he's going to be a middle-of-the-order bat. Those are my expectations or dreams at least...I just don't think he's ready right now and needs more time in AAA. Especially if he's struggling a little bit, let him do it against AAA pitching and get a little bit more experience under his belt first.
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Maybe in 2024/2025
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Casas is struggling. I still suspect he's going to be making it REAL hard to keep him down by years end, but it's looking like he needs a little bit more time.
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I don't know much about WHERE the strength is for the Marlins affiliate, but I would imagine a low ranked system can be stacked at one level, and vice versa. Still, your point remains, that success is good for development.
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Not trying to bring anyone down here but remember MiLB are playing 6 game series now. Most of these guys have only pitched against one team, so if that one team has s***** pitching it makes for a great week for our prospects. Still, it's very encouraging to see such a great start seemingly all around our system.
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Ask and thou shall receive. Miguel Bleis is all the rave in minor league camp. He might be my next IFA prospect binky
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How nice would it be if Bleis emerged as a top 100 prospect by the end of this year.
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Also to refute an earlier point. If you want to fault the Sox for not having top IFA talent close to MLB ready now on their actions that led to them being disqualified from signing guys that's fine. Actually, if anything you have persuaded me a little bit with your argument there. However I still consider this. 1.) The Sox got in trouble for what other teams were supposedly all doing, the league made an example out of them. Lame excuse, but still makes one a little upset when they're the ones getting the short end of the stick. 2.) Even if we can assign blame to the Sox, which is fair I admit, we also have to admit that because of those circumstances it's NOT because of their ability to scout and develop IFA talent. They literally had no guys for two years. If you believe in #2 you can both fault them and be optimistic in their future given the overall track record over the past decade. #2 resonates strong with me, and it's why I'm not ready to to say to criticize their ability to develop IFA talent just yet.
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If anything these guys are ranked later by the national outlets because soxprospecs focus is soley on the Sox. They get wind of and eyes on these guys sooner than anyone else. Both Devers and Bogaerts didn't show up on national rankings until about 1 year after they broke into the Soxprospects top 20 rankings. Another thing to consider is the group of guys who would hypothetically rank right now as 18-19 year olds IFA in a system missed an entire year two years ago. That might not seem like much now, a year removed, but a lot of those guys get ranked based on hype and shine coming out of the international market and not actual track record. Who knows where these guys will rank by year's end. For all we know Baseball America had Miguel Bleis right outside the top 100 and with a strong 2022 he could be a top 50/100 prospect by this time next year. Baseball America did name drop Bleis as a breakout candidate for 2022. You're not wrong, but I think you're being way too premature in that assertation. I will certainly not make such one, not yet at least.
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and it's not like these guys you're talking about immediately ranked as a top 2 prospect. Bogaerts debuted in the top 20 as the 18th ranked prospect in the system. Devers debuted at 18th as well. The Sox literally have two international prospects in their top 20 ranked higher than 18th right now.
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The were instantly ranked, but they weren't instantly ranked high. The list of guys I just gave you are all ranked now too and could shoot up the ladder with good campaigns in 2022.
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I whole heartedly disagree. The only group of players who exist who could fit your criteria pretty much all have a ONE in front of their age. You say these things are excuses but not excuses? That would make more sense to me if we were talking about a prolonged period of time. That argument works when your system hasn't turned out a legit starting pitching prospect in almost two decades. Also, keep in mind we have the missed Covid year that really screwed up these kids. People like Miguel Bleis, Brainer Bonaci, Wilkenson Gonzlaez, and Eddison Paulino are all legit prospects who could have take a huge step forward last year if they had another year of development under their belts. I'm not saying you're wrong but it's way way way way way way too early to say such, especially when the team itself is still flush with homegrown IFA talent, some of which is still cost controlled.
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I think that's a very unfair take for a couple of reasons. The first couple years in your window we literally were disallowed from signing anyone. The best signing out of the 2017/2018 class was considered by many to be the best IFA signing that year but he died tragically. Everyone after that is 20 or younger. There are kids 16/17 years old playing in the DSL this year, that we realistically can't project anything upon. The next Micky Mantle could be there for all we know. Also, holding people up to the Bogey/Devers standard is a little unfair. Those are legit elite guys, you don't have to turn out an elite guy every year to have a successful system.
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Exactly. That, plus the 5 year lead time, and one could expect the Sox not of not had any meaningful contributions from the IFA class in a while. The system has some nice IFA in it though now.
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I think that’s a little unfair, 2018 was only 4 years ago, when those kids would have been 16. Some are turning 21 this year but most are much younger. Let’s see what 2018-2021 looks like 5 years from now.
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Eovaldi is still just 32, which doesn’t seem particularly young for a pitcher but I get the vibe he’s going to be the guy who pitches until he’s 40 if he wants to. 4 more years! 4 more years!
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That's kind of my concern with him as well. My hope is he is able to make enough improvements to be a good LF/RF.....but if he's a corner guy that puts a little bit more pressure on his bat. I think Duran is good, but I don't think he's going to live up to the hype he's had which may mean he ultimately disappoints a lot of people.
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I don't disagree with a single thing you just said. I just A.) don't think it's guaranteed to happen this year and B.) think us fans tend to over estimate how quickly guys will be ready and how soon they will be called up. History as a very long track record of proving B correct, even if you don't agree with the first part the second part is irefutable.
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I feel as if more often than not prospects come up and at the very least struggle for a month or two before they get grounded. A good example of that on this current team is Xander Bogaerts.
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Ok, but that was in Low A 3 years ago now. He has power, that's without question, I'm just not convinced he's ready for the majors and if he is at some point this year I'm not convinced the team is going to bring him up unless there's also a need. There's a stronger incentive to start a prospect at the beginning of the season and let him play all year. If you don't have a need for him at the MLB level come August, why burn the roster spot on the 40 man. So I also question whether or not the Sox are going to bring him up. I don't think it's out of the question he comes up with, nor do I think it's highly unlikely....but I think it's very plausible we don't see him until next year. Regardless, my point is the same. We can take Casas out and throw a different name in there. Later in the year we will be talking about Yorke, in a year or two it will be Mayer....or whoever is hitting well in A/AA ball that the news reports as a top prospects. We always want guys to be ready and it's really easy to use minor league stats as anecdotal evidence that they're.