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Everything is relative as well. There's a difference between rehabbing certain injuries. Sale already spent time rehabbing and starting to ramp back up and then broke his finger on a comebacker. It's not like he's still rehabbing his elbow. How many guys got very little to no innings in the 2020 season and then jumped right back up to 150+ in 2021? James Paxton is also coming back from a grade 2 lat tear. Nothing to sneeze at, but not as serious as rehabbing from Tommy John. I'm not saying I expect 180+ from these guys. But it's not out of the question that Sale can go 150 and Paxton 100 if healthy. As of right now they're healthy, can both happen? Yes can they both get injured again? yes. I think there's very decent chance at least one of them stays healthy all year.

Losing Bogaerts stings, and is a massive brown stain on this FO but if they add Andrus and Kluber to complete the offseason the sum of all the parts could be a much better team in 2023. If you augment that with A Devers extension, they might be able to avoid the pitchforks.

Why would we start the clocks on Mata and Walter just because? Both have barely played above AA, and only one has shown he can get AAA guys out (in a small sample size). Crawford stinks and doesn't belong in this rotation. Also, who are we pushing out of the rotation or the team? So we go with: Bello Crawford Pivetta Mata Walter and we just sit Paxton and Sale preemptively because they're going to be hurt anyways. Where does Whitlock and Houck fit, who both should be fine well before spring training? I'm not understanding the logic here at all, or am I missing the sarcasm through the internet?

No way the Sox go after Rodon and Correa. Maybe Kluber and Andrus.

It’s not a bad long term strategy, but it’s also not one that a large market team such as Boston will put up with fan base wise. We’ve seen teams put together bridge teams and win, and we’ve seen it throw them in last place. We’ve seen it happen in literally just a year, here, twice. Realistically, going by that model, Sox will not go big this off-season, nor next year either. It’s likely 2024 they start going for it. I don’t think Henry had the patience for it, especially if the seats don’t fill up. It will take a stroke of good fortune, but I think he will stay the course with good results in 2023, the fan base my come around too. Problem with this strategy is you have to draft well, and trade well. Luckily the early reports on Blooms drafting is pretty good, but the return on trades is highly questionable. He had the right ideal, he just guessed wrong. Example, if Jeter Downs hit….Bogey walking wouldn’t sting so much right now. Then again, if Downs hit, perhaps he’s the guy at 2nd and not Story. I think one thing people are missing, is even without any additions this team has the capacity to do much better in 2023. Going in with a bullpen is huge, the Bogaerts situation really overshadowed the rest of the offseason so far. The bullpen should be good, and might even be a strength. Maybe that brings them to .500 a clean bill of health makes them a competitor. One thing is for sure. The comment section on talksox is sure to not disappoint. Nobody goes on the DL here.

No.

This can not be stressed enough. It’s also worth noting Bloom didn’t really bring over any of his guys. The guys he’s signing and the prospects he’s trading for are being done by him through the information of the Red Sox scouting and evaluators. If the Sox decide to move on from Bloom and hire a new GM, they need a lot more than just that. They need to invest more money into pro and amateur scouting.

If I remember correctly many in here called me crazy for suggesting Bogaerts gets $217 million. Now it seems that even I under estimated his value.

I’m not for the emotional reactionary responses most seem to succumb too. Perhaps it’s the business man in me that’s operated a successful business and grown it 7 fold in 20 years in me. Emotions lead to mistakes, I suppose that doesn’t matter rooting for a team but it’s ingrained in me. It’s irrefutable this management messed up somewhere, but the narrative spewed about it is illogical, emotional, and doesn’t make sense. It just sounds like angry people to me Hear me out. Let’s ask ourselves one question. Of the free agent signings the Sox have made this year how many did we hear about until it happened? You guessed it, none. Love him or hate him, it’s indisputable that the Bloom regime doesn’t leak a thing, all the information we have is coming from the Boras side. This is obvious. Excuse me for not abiding my opinions purely shaped by the drivel of Boras. The low ball offer reported in spring training came from the Boras camp. I’d like to see what the Sox final offer was. Have any of y’all mad about that ever not punched a clock for a living? Let me tell you how it’s done. Boras asks for 300/10 the Sox ask for 90/10 Both seem absurd to the other side. The Sox know damn well they need to offer more, and Boras knows damn well he has to come down from his price. It’s a dance, it’s a negotiation, no one is getting “insulted” if you think a starting offer is insulting you don’t know business. STOP. Do not pass go, do not collect $200, leave the conversation now. At the very least don’t ever go into business….you will fail. That narrative obviously came from camp Boras. It is logical, leak to the media the low ball opening offer (that both sides know damn well is just a starting talking point). You leak it to the media because you know the narrative will be “look how incompetent management is with their insulting offer” so Boras can come back and say “see how ridiculous this offer is, now move first and tell me how much better you can do” That’s business, that’s negotiability, no one is getting insulted, so let’s just stop with that. It’s not a real thing. In the name of intellectual debate just please drop that archaic stupid argument. It’s been put out there that Bogaerts would have taken the Story contract in spring training. If this is true then it’s obvious the Sox drastically under estimated Bogaerts market and royally f***ed this up. I mean, they definitely messed it up, but to what degree is yet to be determined….unless of course you’re a boras stooge. But hey! Here’s a nice consolation prize for you. By regurgitating Boras talking points you’re indirectly contributing to the proliferation of baseball player salary inflation. As a matter of fact one could say you may be ever so slightly responsible for Betts, and Bogaerts being gone….so give yourself a pat on the back and thank you very much. Ok the last paragraph may be a bit of a stretch. But everything else is spot on. The crying of “they insulted him with their offer” narrative really really really really needs to die.

I think he was, I think the Sox legitimately wanted to work a deal out. They misjudged his market, or the market, and had no ambition to match $280 million. The fact that they didn’t resign him doesn’t mean he isn’t or wasn’t a priority. It just means they failed.

I’m with it. I’ll make some flyers haha

Ok who is starting the petition????

She’s about two times richer than cohen too. She’s also a woman, are there any woman owners? Could be a selling point.

He’d be the owner and the GM. If he just insisted on signing checks I’d love it…..but that won’t happen.

Who is the richest Sox fan alive? Does he have more money than Cohen? We should start a petition to get him to buy the Sox. At the very least maybe Henry will grow his balls back.

Well….are we getting 2022 Verdugo or 2021 Verdugo out there? I’ll gladly take 2021 Verdugo out there. Seems like a weird gamble by the Sox though

First stop is overthrow the Red Sox regime….then we burn down the library in Alexandria.

I also highly doubt all those guys are on the opening day roster. Duran is starting in AAA, and it’s more probable than not that both he and Dalbec start down there. Hosmer may be released or traded by mid season. If Yoshida is the real deal, his bat is 100- thousand times better than those guys. He’s probably fine in LF. If Manny can learn how to play left im sure this guy will be fine if he’s a gamer.

Mark my words, and I dare someone to tag this. The Sox WILL resign Rafael Devers. It Is Going To Happen.

Yes, but who could have projected the Bogey signing? I feel I was the highest guy in here projected $217/8 and I wasn't even close. I was close on the AAV, which would be close to even money if it was a 10-year deal. I never would have thought Bogey would get 10 years. Xander also got the longest contract for a player ever aged 30 years.

As unpopular as this may be, I would love to see him on a deal with an opt-out, make it player friendly and increase his odds of resigning here NOW. Now, we may lose him in a few years the same way we lost Bogaerts....BUT at the very least we get him for a few more years in his prime. I'm all for locking him up long-term, but if the Sox are starting to get uncomfortable with the numbers I would explore an opt-out clause before trading him.

Actually, I don't agree with this at all. You need a complete roster top to bottom. The Angels arguably had the best pitcher and hitter in baseball and they sucked. If this year's free agency spending spree has taught us anything, it's that teams are no longer going to be able to build thru free agency but rather only supplement. Teams that can develop talent and create their own MLB players will be rewarded. Yes you could trade for an ACE tomorrow, but probably have to give up Mayer/Bello/Bleis in the process. That hurts the future, and if your team isn't good enough to win with an addition now why make your present lukewarm to have a s***** future? I'm all for trading prospects, but here's a time and place for everything. There's no way a last place team with a losing record should be trading from their prospect depth.

Yeah that 3 team trade is just hurting my brain right now.

I'm sure there was a larger deal out there for him. That deal was all about the opt-out, thinking there would be more money for him this year. That was always the Boras plan, Scott Boras knows what he is doing....and look at the market this year? they obviously guessed right. I'd be willing to be Correa gets $300 million this offseason. As a baseline, he's getting 300 milliion.

I highly doubt this. How often does the top or one of the top free agents in the market hold out? this is be zero means unnatural for a guy of his caliber to hang around this long....there's still over two months until pitchers and catchers report.