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We should be very angry if that is all they do.
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CF - Kiki 3B - Devers RF - Judge DH - Conforto (he'd get time in LF or RF) 2B - Story 1B - Casas LF - Verdugo SS - Andrus C - McGuire/Wong That lineup would have the potential to do some serious damage. Depending on how healthy and good that Story/Casas/Verdugo middle back of the lineup stays it could be elite if they elongate it.
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How angry would Sox fans be if Bloom misses out on Bogaerts and any of the big time SS's and instead signs Andrus to something around 2 years 18 million? as a stopgap to Mayer? But then goes out and signs Judge/Senga? and extends Devers? The math works to stay under the cap, and if they wanted to reset next year they could have the Devers extension start next year and have enough money left over for a #3 starter and Conforto? I doubt this all happens, but the math is there. Conforo/Kike/Paxton money come off next year, and It looks unlikely that they pick up Matt Barnes option which is another 8 million. There may be no holes in 2024 with that team with the likes of Rafaella/Mayer/Yorke/Mata looking to be big-league contributors.
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If Degrom can get 5 years and Turner 11, someone is going to give Bogaerts 8-9. The problem is, you’re bidding against every other team in baseball. Someone is always going to act irrationally and give the extra year. There’s value in a assigning value and holding your line, but if you try to act too rationally 100% of the time you’ll be left out in the cold with scraps. Maybe Bogey is that guy, but they had 4 premier short stops in this years market. The Sox have very little excuse to not sign one. At a certain point, we have to be ok with going the extra year with someone or else we truly will be Tampa North.
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Turner was projected to make $268 over 8 years. He effectively took 18% less in AAV to get 11 years. If we could assume Bogey would take even just 16% less to get two more years that brings his projected contract to 200/9 220/10 range. If the bidding gets up around $250 that’s just ridiculous, but the Sox should be able to match 200/9 and if they don’t we should break out the pitch forks.
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You kind of hope Judge stays in NY now, because if the rumors are true they plan on entering the SS market if he walks makes things dicey. I’d assume either they are LA sign Correa, which means we have to outbid Minnesota, San Diego, Chicago, and one of LA/NY for Bogaerts/Swanson And between those two….I want Bogaerts
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Will anyone be upset when we don’t sign Rodon either?
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No, by getting under the luxury tax at the deadline. You could have gone big with Verlander this off-season and have his money coming off the books before you’d need to reset again.
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Would have been a perfect deal for the Sox if they decided to get under the luxury tax this year at the deadline.
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If the reports are true that Bogaerts is going to bring his best offer to the Sox and give them a chance to match, then it makes sense they’ve made no offer to him yet.
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It’s not like the trade stipulated we had to start Allen Craig. In the end I was happy with what we got from Joe Kelly. From a pure value stand point STL probably edges that trade out. But that was almost entirely in his 2015 campaign. A year Boston sucked. I doubt lackey would have moved the needle much. Joe Kelly was a big part of that 2018 playoff run. In a perfect world I would have liked Lackey to stay here and honor his contract. But I ain’t mad, it worked out for everyone.
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Nothing, he won us a World Series in 2013, threw a hissy fit about a contract HE signed and then we traded him for Joe Kelly. Who was an integral part of the 2018 campaign
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They didn’t outbid, they matched our offer. That’s old news now. Do try to keep up
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Teams will posture to get a better deal, but the Sox should not fold either. They lack outfield depth but in total the position side is less problematic. Spending too many resources there is unwise.
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If NY loses out on Judge they enter the SS market. The price for Bogaerts goes up.
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I was under the assumption Casas and Rafaela are headlining that trade+++
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If they insist on Casas for Reynolds, and I don’t have to add Bello,Mayer, Bleis then maybe I fold if they throw Bednar in.
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Now so it without Casas too.
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Right now we don’t know. But I would t be surprised if we learn of one other team, maybe a few other teams offering DeGrom the same money but at 4 years. Texas upped the Anti and won the deal. I have a hard time believing a team offering him 4 wouldn’t go 5, maybe they did but wanted less AAV. If we learn the answer to these questions….it may not be tonight.
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It only takes one, which is why most FA deals always feel like an overpay. There’s nothing wrong with being rational and trying to maximize value but at some point you at least have to be the least rational guy by going an extra year or paying a few million a more than the other team if you want to bring in premium players. Maybe Bloom has it in him and has never been in this position before or maybe he really doesn’t want to make these types of moves. If it’s the later I hope Henry tells Bloom to grow some balls and make a splash. Or perhaps the problem is all Henry, this off-season will be very telling.
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I’d gladly give up Rafaela though, who I like. There are big questions about his hit tool, but his slut speed and his elite defensive give him a high floor. If the Pirates believe in the hit tool Rafaela could possibly headline a package.
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Whitlock
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I highly doubt it, nobody is valuing that much more. They all know a lot about these kids and they know what their assets are worth. The thing here is, we have perfect example of this in the Chris Sale trade. It took some serious prospect capital to pull that trade off
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They haven’t succeeded with other teams either
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I get that argument, but Casas isn’t a far away prospect, he looks poised to be a producer next year. It’s very reasonable to assume Casas will be just as good offensively as Reynolds and his ceiling is someone better. If I’m depleting my farm….it’s for picthing, not a sideways move now with a player who has more team years and could even bet better with the bat.