Hugh2
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Bloom didn’t have that choice because they had a 45 million dollar payroll. In a year he happened to beat DD and his Red Sox. John Henry dreamed what a guy who could do that could do with a 200 million dollar payroll. Here we are 3 years later, the farm built back up and $100 million coming off the books. If people think John Henry didn’t bring Bloom in to see what he can do from here on out the haven’t been paying attention. You can disagree with it, you can hate it, but this has been what it’s all about.
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Would your opinions change if the Sox won a World Series in 2023? Or 2024?
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The thing is Turner and Swanson both have very weak arms. Meaning once they lose a step they will become negative at SS fast and where they can move to will be limited. I think it’s Bogaerts/Correa or bust. I’d also add Starting pitching to the free agent class. There’s a ton of mid rotation depth and we could use a couple starters.
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They could hypothetically sign Senga/Correa/Taillon/Conforto plus some bullpen help without losing one pick and actually net two. That’s not a bad off-season. Edit: They could do this and stay under the luxury tax while extending Devers. They could does not equate to they willl. But there’s a lot of talent without draft pick compensation this off season.
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You know what I meant. Haha
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I don’t know, but we do know that the 25 people Red talked to at his gym do not like Bloom. Reminds me of an experience I had at the gym about two weeks ago. Some guy went on a rant about the government, which I won’t get into here. My point is it was easier for me to agree with him and walk away than to get into an argument or discussion I didn’t want to get into. FWIW, the brief conversation was completely unsolicited….I asked him how his day was.
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Wait, you actually went around surveying people at the gym….and counted?
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But to reiterate a point, everything never breaks right.
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Who says Story can play 2nd in two years? Who says Devers can play 3B in 2 years? Also LF is also an option. Since when does everything work out the way it’s supposed to and everyone stays healthy and no one ever declines? If by some miracle everything works out and by 2025 Story is an ALL star at 2nd, Devers is still at least an average defender middle of the order bat at 3Rd, and Casas is an all star at first, then move him to LF. Or trade someone. You can always trade from surplus, it’s a good problem to have. Also, what if Mayers is a bust? There’s just so much that can happen in even just two years. And like I said, if everything breaks right it’s a good problem to have. It’s like, why get pitching this offseason? What if Sale stays healthy and pitches like a TOTRS, Paxton is good, Bello is a rookie ACE, Whitlock transitions to the rotation great and a Pivetta is Pivetta. Is this team worse off if they went out and signed a guy like Eovaldi or Taillon? It’s a good problem to have.
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Great analogy. People are more likely to feel compelled to give a negative review than a positive review. People literally have to pay, beg their family and friends, or offer incentives to customers to get people to leave positive reviews
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Move him in two years. 3B/LF/2B This is why I don’t sign Bogey if his market is 220+ at that point you are better off signing a guy who can play SS long term.
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Ughhh their*
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What evidence do you have that more people out of here think like you? Psychology teaches us that people assume everyone else in the world thinks like them, but that’s not always the case. The only sample size you seem to be aware of in here you admit that opinion is wrong. People who are negative, and critical tend to be much more vocal about their opinions, while other keep to themselves. People who hate Bloom are comfortable spreading there opinion around. People who are not as critical of Bloom don’t feel the need to go around throwing parades for him. Now I happen to agree with you. I think it’s probably a 50/50 split. There are plenty of Sox fans out there who see Bloom doing the job he was hired to do. The blame is more on Henry, JH is ultimately the one who told him to trade guys like Benentedi and Betts. This much is obvious yet people still blame Bloom for it.
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Bogaerts is probably going to get 150-200…depending on the years. If he’s asking for 250, why would sign him? Why not let him see that money isn’t out there and then sign him to a more reasonable extension. There are times when it makes sense to let a player see what is really out there for them. I do not think that happens, I do not believe Bogey gets that kind of money, but if he does that means Correa and Turner are getting 300+. At that point you mine as well sign a stop gap like Iglesias and allocate your beans to a guy like Verlander on a high AAV short term deal. There’s value in striking first. There’s also tremendous value in being patient at times. Love or hate Bloom, hate the decisions he makes, it’s well within your rights but that statement is true.
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Whether or not this is true has zero bearing on the fact that they have the money to address other needs and not worry about having enough left over to sign a SS. Whether or not you or I think that’s going to be one of the big 4 is irrelevant.
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It’s amazing what you see and hear when you believe something that is undeniable false to be true. I have vivid memories of hearing Santa Claus, and seeing a glimpse of his sleigh flying off in the distance.
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They could also sign Devers to an extension this year and have it kick in after next season, making a Devers extension this offseason 100% unrelated to this years budget.
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The Sox could easily sign Senga, Taillon, and Conforto addressing three needs and have plenty of money left over to address short stop and Devers. You should have around 45 million to play with after that. You don’t have to worry about not having enough money for Bogey. Or Correa/Turner if you wanted an upgrade. No sense in painting yourself into a corner when you don’t need to.
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I disagree, the Sox have an ideal what those guys will cost, within +-6-7 million AAV between the two of them. And Raffys extension can be made to kick in next year if need that AAV back to get under the cap. That should NOT stop them from addressing the rotation and other area of needs. If they wait for the dominoes to fall in the short stop market, they could end up losing out on the pitching market.
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The Bogaerts situation is tough, because it’s tied into the shortstop market as a whole. It could be another month or two before the dominoes fall….or it could be next week
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But then again, everything is relative. If Sale comes back healthy and strong and is a big part of a successful campaign, Dave still deserves partial credit for that success.
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The reality is no one is 100% to blame. Every team is combination of current GM, directors, president of operations (whoever) and past executives. Luck is also involved. This past years woes were combination of some bad moves made by Dave at the end of his tenure, a few bone head moves by Bloom, and horrible luck on the injury front. Regardless, it’s 100% on them now. After this offseason, the 2023 Red Sox are going to be much more Blooms team than last years, and significantly more than the year he took over.
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We know haha
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Also the vast majority of those teams that won 2016-2019 were players either acquired, or drafted under Ben C. Not trying to take anything away from Dave who has a proven track record, but he walked into a great situation with a team already built to win. You could also say the 2022 Red Sox wouldn’t have gone over the cap if Dave didn’t sign Sale to an extension.
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I don’t think we make a pick up, maybe, maybe there’s a pitcher they really like.