Hugh2
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We are expecting a kid, who hasn't pitched in 4 years, barely above rookie ball, to come up to the majors and pitch better than 99.99999% of the people in this world at the MLB level. People have said this type of move is unprecedented by Philly, because it was. No GM in baseball would have protected Song, getting upset over this is just pointless. If he ends up being good then that Sux for the Sox but you can't blame this one on them. He probably gets returned. Philly wants to compete and not burn a spot and they likley planned on being able to carry him on the military list this year.
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In this particular instance....yes. Very.
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I think what most people fail to understand is that Philly took him likely under the assumption he wasn't going to be cleared to play. Because he could have stayed on the military list, now they HAVE to carry him. They can not option him this year unless the Sox trade him. Their only other option would be to put him on the 90-day DL. Which, aside from a legit injury would be a huge violation. People like Song don't get picked for a reason, this is rather unprecedented and it will be interesting to see how it plays out. There are so many many many moves to be un-happy with over the last few years. Not protecting Song can not reasonably be included in that list.
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Maybe he is really into the brand new NWar stat.
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But.....this is baseball not war.
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The Song conversation just needs to end now. It’s effing stupid. You can’t protect everyone. And someone that fits his profile was never picked before. It’s a bold move by Philly and If it works out for them then more power to the. That’s it. It can just die now, I hate hoping the kid fails so the Sox get him back. I hope he beats the odds. Will suck for the Sox but it’s what it is.
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Noah Song can pitch, was discharged. Things I google post script. Surprising seeing how his exception was denied before, I think Covid screwed up a lot too. Regardless, he's a guy that hasn't pitched above A ball in what will be 4 seasons this year. You don't protect that, and players like that don't get taken. It's almost a dick move by DD.
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Ward I can see sticking, and I think he probably does. But there's no way Song sticks, I'm not even sure he's eligible to play nor has he in what....4 years now? can he even still pitch? but regardless there's no good argument for protecting Song.....but Ward being left unprotected is baffling.
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I get that argument, and it's my general line of thinking as well but at the same time why spend the money just to spend the money?
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Tightness, or soreness is so vague. It could literally be anything. It’s like having a fever, your organs could be shutting down snd your dying or it could just be a cold. It’s literally a symptom for everything. Still, anytime a pitcher has “forearm tightness” one can’t help but cringe a little. Let’s hope it’s nothing more.
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Zips projections are garbage. And anyone would project the Yankees to win more games. But the 2023 season is unwritten.
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There's also so much fluidity between the rankings too the further you go down. There's not nearly as much of a difference between 20 and 60 as there is 19 and 1. Guys in that range are either career Milbers or maybe emergency depth types. Or they're are very young and raw and just breaking into the list.
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I mean, you're not wrong on the Sox system not having a ton of high-caliber starter types BUT, these are also prospects ranked below 50. I don't think anyone's system has ever projected someone that low to be a starter.
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Think about how different things could have been if the Sox hit on Sale and he stayed healthy. They'd have that guy, and better results may have led to an increased interest in investing in this team leading them to actually sign another ACE. In that permutation of the universe in some other world Maybe A Dominant Chris Sale is at the top of the rotation alongside Scherzer, Verlander or DeGrome this year. Who knows. There's nothing wrong with not being able to develop an ACE if you could at least develop several home grown #3's. THen you can fill in, not developing anything for a long time really stings.
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That might be part of it but the weird thing is that Keith Law rated our system even lower than he did last year, when the consensus everywhere else in baseball is that the Sox system got much better. So, without getting into it something is up with his rankings. I think you are right though, AND I also think Law heavily weighs proximity to the majors. Mayer and Bleis are further away.
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Pretty much. I really wish they could draft and develop pitchers better but if you are better at position players then I get it. You can always trade from surplus 4 deficit. 2022: first pitcher was Noah Dean 5th round. 2021: first pitcher taken was Elmer Rodriguez Cruz in the 4th round 2020: first pitcher taken was Shane Drohan in the 5th round. It's worth noting there were only 5 rounds this year. The international pool is more of the same. The Sox do have a lot of intriguing arms in the system, and some of these guys probably have MLB careers. But the only pitcher they had in their system who looked poised to be an impactful starting pitcher has just graduated the system. Bryan Bello.
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I wouldn't be surprised if those two pitched like a #2 starter all year or not. Bello could be mediocre his first year, Whitlock might not take to a full season as a starter. But the team doesn't lack talent, not to be confused with a talented roster that instills confidence in the team.
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There might be few teams that can compete with the Red Sox when it comes to range of outcomes for the 2023 season. The Sox have a lot of talent in this team, but much of it is a combination of unproven, age and injury risk. Just think how good Sale/Paxton/Kluber will be with a clean bill of health for example? Not going to go up/down the whole 40 man but that’s a reoccurring theme on this team. I won’t be surprised if the win 90+ games next year, conversely I also won’t be surprised if they only win 75 and everything goes horribly wrong.
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Well even Zips projections have Devers with a higher OPS than his last two years. So everyone is betting on a career year from a 26 year old on the right side of his prime. The over is .900 low .900 OPS. I don’t think that’s unrealistic at all.
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SP has Jimenez at 39, he actually rose from 44 recently but that's probably mostly due to people above him being traded or graduating. I think the fluidity between 40 and 60 is a lot larger than 20 and 40. Jimenez is about 1/2 a season away from not even being ranked, unless he really takes a step forward this year.
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This is a good point, and would explain a lot.
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To be fair, it has to be hard for a guy like Law to accurately rank 30 teams prospects. How man of these kids has he actually seen? and when he does see them it's a small sample size. People like Law rely heavily on the scouting and consensus of others, others who are legit scouts and evaluators but much of it is still second-hand knowledge. Which makes it all the more perplexing that his rankings are more out of line than others. Maybe I'm just biased against Law, I don't think he's horrible at what he does but he always seems to be lower on the Sox than anyone else.
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Yes, but if you're going on athleticism there's a lot of guys that you can put above him right now. Gilberto was in everyone's top 20 a year ago, It looks more like Law is just late to the party on his drop-off.
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I know we bump heads a lot and I'm kind of a dick but this is a great point. And a team should never be free of any critique.
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I actually feel better about Law being the lowest on the Sox system after seeing his player rankings. How can he still have Jimenez in the top 20?