Hugh2
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They obviously wanted to. They just did a piss poor job of analyzing the market and low balled him. That doesn't equate to poor effort, or at the very least in my book it equates to being inept.
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To be fair, at the time they thought they were going to be able to resign Bogaerts.
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Have they? Nomar who's defense was on a serious decline used to be elite, but they traded him away for a defensive upgrade. Julio Lugo wasn't a bad fielding shortstop either and was considered a plus short stop, in 2013 they had Stephen Drew who was also a good short stop. Bogaerts was never a bad fielding short stop, he's just a gold glove caliber fielding short stop, maybe average. I'd say the Sox like offensive-minded shorts stops who can at least be average on defense more than saying they don't like short stops who can't field.
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This. I think most of us in here have a problem with us looking at CERA, or at the very least looking at CERA at an insanely small sample size. It can BOTH be true that Wong is a better option behind the plate AND McGuire is also a good catcher AND CERA is garbage. All three can be true, this isn't a zero-sum game.
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Did you miss the stretch where they faced almost ALL LHP???
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But the rotation has looked better as of late, and I don't think it has much to do with the catcher. Sale didn't have stuff in his first outing and in his second his command was off. You could CLEARLY see it was him that was pitching subpar. Even by putting small sample sizes to the side, we can see what was really going on there. Guys like Whitlock and Bello, who are still young and bound to take their lumps didn't look great in their first starts. But is that unreasonable when it is cold out still and these guys didn't get camps like everyone else? especially Bello who probably should of had another couple starts in AAA before he came up. He only pitched 2 innings in ST.
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They very well may favor Wong as their catcher, and a platoon doesn't have to be a strict platoon. If you want to go within ever smaller sample sizes that's fine we can see how the rest of the season plays out. I can't fault you for thinking the Sox may be viewing Wong as the superior catcher. I can see that too right now. It's the hate on McGuire that I don't understand. I understand that you think he's a bad defensive catcher using only one metric that is almost never used for a good reason AND in such a small sample size. All other factors turn to McGuire being a fine catcher. He has above-average framing and blocking skills and has shown superior pop times and he's been above average at the plate. A lot of teams don't even have that for their #1 catcher and if is our #2 then that means we have an awesome catcher tandem.
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Maybe he's just throwing to a bad catcher.
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Another reason to get a look out of him at the very elast in a pen role at the end of the year.
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I can see them doing it by the end of the year. He's been on the 40-man for over 3 years, and if he's still struggling with his control but could use 100 MPH out of the bullpen I can see him in that role.
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It's blatantly obvious a large factor is the platoon. They aren't going to faithfully follow it but you can see the generally stick to it. THat's obvious to the rest of us. It will be interesting to see if we are wrong OR if the narrative changes when we have a couple weeks were we face almost all right-handed pitchers.
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Most of the EGGS skewing those CERA stats have come with pitchers first and second starts. It's reasonable to assume that almost anyone can start off rusty and improve going forward. That's why this is such a ridiculous and ludicrous sample size to judge a guy in. It might be as absurd as judging batting averages after one series. I think if anything the Sox have favored Wong because they realized they need to control the running game. I think McGuire may be a little better going forward because a lot of that is on the pitchers too and they need to adjust, but his pop times have gone down a bit this year and Wong has shown to have a good arm. McGuire has shown this year and in previous years that he's a very good blocker and pitch framer. And for almost a full year now he's been hitting above average for a catcher. Both Wong and McGuire are playing at levels that could have them starting for a lot of other teams. Catcher really feels like the one position on this team we shouldn't be complaining about.....and yet it's dominating this board right now.
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Because there isn't one. McGuire is a good catcher, and better than most teams' back up catchers.
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So who is your second catcher? don't say Alfaro....he's not a catcher.
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You don't even find an ACE for 20 million anymore. You CAN get an ace for about $27 though who has a very high chance of getting injured on you.
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If the argument is Wong might be a better defender and we value you at the plate enough to deal with a drop-off in offense (and I think Wong can get better on that side of the ball) then I can get on board with that. But are you against McGuire as the backup catcher? Because someone else is going to have to catch 40-50 games this year.
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Ah that is correct, I remember now. So it's only Mondesi, Mills, Story. So we don't have to DFA anyone. Braiser lives again!!!!! for a little while
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If you took out the Rays series the Sox would be on pace for 101.25 wins this year.
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If a guy comes off the IL, does someone not have to be removed from the 40 man?
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I figured they would sign a catcher in Vazquez or Contreras and have McGuire/Wong battle for the second spot. I’m not saying Wong might not be the better catcher. My initial point was that McGuire is not a bad catcher.
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I have a math based degree and have studied advanced statistics. I don’t know what the appropriate sample size is. But saying he’s averaging 3 runs more per game this year is clearly too small. If it’s large enough sample size then maybe Reese should be the DH. He’s going to be the next .400 hitter since Ted Williams.
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I think you gotta switch Brasier and Ort. Brasier is next to go. Also, there’s no way Duran is getting DFAd for Duval. He’s be traded first but the way he’s playing lately why would t we want to keep him? Especially if this is for real. Kike is gone after this year so you have a hole in CF, and Yoshida could be a bust. I don’t think he is and it’s way too early but it ain’t looking good. Duval is gone too but Duran has team control. Unfortunately he has options (unfortunately for him) so he’s probably going to go back to and come back up again at least one more time this year. But if he keeps this up he’s going to be staying in the lineup
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Paxton Joely Martin Story Duval Mondesi That’s 5 spots. Some roster maneuvering will be taking place. Now, odds are 1-2 guys go onto the IL while those guys make their way back. Hopefully not much more nor anyone key.
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Eventually they will need a spot, a couple, and a Braisers 9 lives are up.
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If the variance between McGuires and Wongs CERA (in as smaller sample size) is much higher than your article lays out between catchers (with much larger sample sizes) by definition your sample size is too small. That’s common sense.