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I thought I just reversed engineered it in BTV

I didn’t do what the trade was I did what made it equal. Of course, I had to trade to get Sale back. Regardless, point is, the value of this trade comes down to Boston’s evaluation process with Grissom.

BTV accepts Grissom to the Braves for Sale and 4 million in cash lol. Grissom has a higher value, but (according to BTV) we overpaid in cash by about 13 million. Heres' the thing, a team like Atlanta needed that to avoid the highest tax line, team evaluations of players can vary wildly. If the Sox believe Grissom can turn into an everday second baseman, this is an absolute STEAL. If he's a bust, then it's not the trade that was bad....it's the Sox ability to evaluate and assimilate talent into their organization that's the problem. It's not just about having the right guys, but having the right guys around those guys. Unfortunately, only time will tell how good Breslow and company is, and we will judge him now, although perhaps at this point the fan base is more readily accepting of shiting that blame onto ownership.

Other teams models of bringing in pitching often include bringing in young unproven players, or young cost controlled pitchers without a performance record, where said team is able to fix something. Or they're trading for young pitching (like the Fitts trade). THe other way is to draft. The former, is something posters in here would complain about prefusively, the later.....well Boston just doesn't do that. Maybe Breslow will change the organizational philosophy on drafting and developing pitchers. But in the absesnce of trading away the farm for a guy....there's zero quick fix. It's going to take years to build the pitching up in this organization. And fans will not like hearing that one bit.

With Mookie it felt like they just didn't want to go as high as he was talking, with Yamamoto, it feels like he just wanted to go to LA all along. Allegedly Steve Cohen said he'd up any offer LA gave him after he left new york but didn't even give the Mets a chance. He took his bids to LA and they matched and he signed. Yamamoto was always going to LA. I know there are reports that Mookie was always going to FA, and he wasn't going to resign here, but who knows how true that is and if $365 million dollars would have changed his mind. Also, he signed after covid hit and there was a lot of uncertainty in the world at that time. $365 million dangled in front of your face might look a whole lot different in the summer of 2020 than it would in the summer of 2019. But I suppose we will never truly know for certain what could have been, but I'm fairly certain Yamamoto was always a no go here. I wanted him hard, but after seeing how the whole thing went down, it's obvious to me now that we never had a chance. It was LA all along.

Found the 2022: Scouting grades: Hit: 55 | Power: 50 | Run: 50 | Arm: 55 | Field: 45 | Overall: 55 Braves Top Prospects | MLB.com WWW.MLB.COM The Official Site of Major League Baseball In 2019, the main attraction at Hagerty High School in Florida was Riley Greene, who went No. 5 overall that June to the Tigers. Grissom was that school's shortstop, and while he wasn’t as highly regarded, the Braves liked him enough to go over the $125K limit in the 11th round and sign him for $347,500. He’s rewarded their investment by hitting pretty much everywhere as a pro -- from his summer debut in the Rookie-level Gulf Coast League to the alternate site, where he was one of the youngest players, to a full-season debut in 2021 in which he raked in A ball and earned a late promotion to High-A. Grissom routinely displays outstanding bat-to-ball skills with a very good approach. He has a strong feel for the barrel from the right side of the plate, manages his at-bats well, draws walks and rarely strikes out. He’s short to the ball with relatively simple hitting mechanics and has solid bat speed. The Braves hope he’ll continue to fill out his 6-foot-3 frame and grow into more power as he matures. As solid as Grissom has been at the plate, it’s been less clear where he might belong long-term defensively. He’s still seen more time at shortstop than any other position, but he’s also played a fair amount at third as well as a little at second. He has the arm to stay on the left side of the infield, where he’s more comfortable and while he doesn’t always have silky-smooth actions, he’s a solid defender. If he can’t play short, he might need to raise his power profile a bit to be a fit at the hot corner as a regular.

And what does his 2022 scouting report say? WIthout looking it up I know for a fact his hit tool went up to 55. I like prospects who have upward mobility at a young age. Those are the guys who turn into stars, not that he will, but he has youth and performance on his side. I also wouldn't say he "slumped hard" in only 75 PA's Grissom was rushed to the majors. He effectively got a month at AA before making the season jump starting in A ball all the way to the majors. In 2022 he was 21 and had a .921 OPS. I have zero concerns this kid is going to hit, but I'am a little concerned about his fringey bat speed and the defense. Get him in the weight room, with his age and athetlcism it's very reasonable to project improvements in those fields with the right people around him. I'll take 6 years of that for one year of Sale.

That's also not an appropriate way to evaluate the trade. That's how much money they're STILL spending in 2024. But if Grissom is a good, how much are they saving over the next 6 years? good, young cost controllable talent is highly valuable. Only time will tell if Breslows process of bringing in these types of players pays off. I like that he's swinging.

This is the main problem with this organization. And the truth is, it can't be fixed overnight. Breslow can make all the right moves and draft picks and it will still take years to pay dividends. I think Sox fans could stomach the team not wanting to go out and spend hundreds of millions of dollars on players entering their 30's if they locked up their young studs. That ship has obviously sailed, and there's no silver bullet short of everything going right next season. Which even then, they still need two starters. I just don't think they are willing to spend big on guys like Montgomery and Snell anymore. I think we will be selecting from guys like Stroman, Paxton, Imanaga, and I still think they can trade for someone. Given some time, it will be interesting to see if Breslow does, with trades, and his first draft next year. It may be true that Breslow is going to have to operate under the same parameters that Bloom did. If so, we have to pray he's much better at this than Bloom was.

Barracini????

Despite my tagline I’d be very surprised if this team signed Montgomery and Snell. I think we sign one to two from the Stroman, Imanaga, Paxton group or trade for a guy still. One thing is for certain, Breslow is expected to fix this team in one year. But that’s not realistic. If he doesn’t believe in those guys, and they get overpaid drastically, and that affects the decisions he can make because he has a budget then I won’t blame him for not going after Montgomery and Snell. I like those two, and I’d be excited if we sign one. But I’m having serious doubts we do now.

Good question. No I won’t. But I’ll dislike the off-season as a whole much more if they don’t.

I don’t care who starts. I care about results over 162 games and subsequent years

Isn’t Kike Hernandez a free agent?

Every time I go to edit a comment my comment just gets deleted. Anyways I’ll say it again. I like this move. I will like it better if they go out and get a guy better than Giolito.

So they can save a few Pennie’s that they’re not going to spend elsewhere according to you?

Crazy thought here. People had Sale penciled in because he was under contract.

So the Red Sox won’t sign anyone. But if they should have gotten rid of all of Sales money to do so. Even though they wouldn’t do it. Why? So they can get a participation trophy that says “1st place for having the money to sign Snell but still didn’t sign him” Here’s a thought. It ain’t a zero sum game! Sales money does NOT prevent them from any other signings. It was off the books next year, and they just reset. His money has zero bearing on other moves. They got a highly talented young player, a Who could help this team up until 2030!!!! It’s insane to me that people hate this trade

Lol

Yeah. This is definitely one of the more perplexing stances I’ve seen here in a LONG time. And just yesterday OldRed was a voice of reason on this board.

I mean, we could have kept Sale to be our ACE and signed Witt Merifield to be our second baseman Maybe we could have brought Kike back to play 2nd.

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There may not of been a single team out there willing to take on the entirety of his contract also.

What could they possibly have gotten that they can’t get right now? Sox are still $40 million under the cap, and they’ve shown a willingness to go over in the past, they could spend $60 this year and still reset next. Heck, if they wanted too, they could sign Snell and Montgomery BOTH and reset next year. Those guys are likely 7-9 year commitments. If the Sox don’t sign them it’s because they don’t want to pay them what they’re getting over the life of the contract. There’s NO way on gods green earth that Sales money for one year is preventing them from going that route if they wanted to.

Why not? Teams literally kick in money ALL the time to up the return. It’s literally not your money and what it is is a sunk cost. Would you rather the money be spent on Sale to pitch here, have one less rotation spot open to improve AND not have a second baseman? Sox could trade Jansen tomorrow. If eating his salary gets them a better return they absolutely should do so.