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  1. I thought it was fairly obvious that the defining factor Bregman was the no trade clause. Boston has a history of trading away aging stars and Bregman has been pretty adamant about wanting his next contract to be his last. He wants to sign where he’s going to end his career. Idk, maybe you don’t trust the reporting of Abraham but this is pretty consistent with what he heard out of Bregmans camp for a long time. He valued stability.
  2. I’m not comparing Contreras to Alonso here. I just don’t think the offers the Sox made to Bregman and Alonso weren’t mutually exclusive. in other words, I don’t believe that the Sox offer to Alonso changes if Bregman signs before him. more often than not, the Sox place a value on a guy and they don’t budge. For better or worse. They’ve probably avoided a lot of bad contracts with that philosophy, but they’ve also missed out on a ton of premium players over the last several years. Hence the dance reference.
  3. Are you seriously trying to combine my analogies and get all serious with them? Edit: I’m not trying to sound brash, I’ll play along. ok but in pro sports the prettiest girl dances with the guy who hands out the biggest contract
  4. No one is saying they don’t have value. Just that they’re overvalued by some people. exhibit A. The desire to sign Eugenenio Saurez
  5. And once you hit that LT your cash spent goes up exponentially. Of course cash spend is paramount but I don’t think a team with revenues as high as the Sox say “whoaaa, if we sign Pete Alonso we are going into the red” teams that do dabble around the LT we see year after year set themselves up to go under and reset. Even the Dodgers have reset.
  6. I don’t think there sights set on Bregman had anything to do with it. The Sox had their number and they don’t budge, they think they’re the smartest guys in the room but more often end up being the guy without a girl to dance with.
  7. Would you rather have the Sox not in on people? You know I’ve been very critical of this FO this offseason but all these teams are checking in on guys; you just read about here because this is the Sox FO. This is what happens in FA with teams and agents. Everyone is “checking in” with everyone. i get mad/excited about the final product.
  8. Yup, I still say there overvalued. When a guy hits 50 home runs a year and literally nothing else he gets overvalued. id say Saurez fits that narrative better than Alonso does but Pete still ain’t no judge
  9. The teams that care about are the teams who can spend enough to care about it. The Oakland A’s obviously don’t give a hoot but I bet you they would if the number was more in line with their revenue. i suppose the A’s aren’t best example but you know what I mean. by the time you’re around the LT why would t it matter? If cash spent matters the gen ever dollar you spend over is taxed handsomely and unlike other payroll/bonuses/deferral’s you can’t pay that in another year. making money is #1 winning games has a pretty big effect on that too. Handcuffing your spending in future years and losing draft capital is directly effecting that
  10. Home runs can really be blinding I see. we didn’t sign Alonso….give it up guys
  11. No, Aaron Judge changes how you pitch to a lineup. I think guys who really get in a players mind are walk a heck of a lot more than Pete Alonso. He’s a one trick pony. He just happens to be very very good at that thing. I like Alonso, and advocated for his signing, but he’s clearly being overvalued here
  12. Right, but if teams are making a lot of money I think they really care about the LT number. obviously cash payroll matters too. If you’re literally spending money you don’t have you go out of business but last I checked the Sox are making a lot more money than they’re spending on payroll. both obviously matter. But to say the LT doesn’t matters is absurd, going over the LT literally increases how much cash you spend. 1 dolllar becomes 1.2 dollars or 1.42 dollars. LT payroll matters because cash matters
  13. Disclaimer before the following statement is made: Pete Alonso is better than Wilson Contreras. ok, now the point. I think people overvalue Alonso and undervalue Contreras. There’s so many ways to add value on the diamond. its entirely possible that it can both be true that one thing is more important than the rest in a vacuum AND that thing is overvalued at the same exact time. To me, that is the long ball. Alonso is elite there but not really anywhere else. Alonso is most likely going to return less than 1 War than Contreras next year, and I want to see what they do at 2nd too
  14. I think it’s literally the exact opposite. Teams don’t lose draft picks because of cash payroll, it’s the LT number that dictates that. and adding deferred money to a deal lowers AAV and makes it easier for teams to get below those thresholds
  15. Yup, but don't get me wrong if it's Suarez (and I don't want it to be) I'll take the homeruns and cross my fingers that his range comes back for one more year.
  16. He was in the 9th percentile last year for range....It's already fallen off.
  17. Exactly, and giving the time of year, the mandate, who needed a 3B/DH, and who could take on the money there was literally a very very slim market for him. I'm sure they would have gotten more had they waited to trade him, but it really feels like Henry must of said something along the lines of "I don't care I want him gone!!!!! get him outta here"
  18. The absurdity of the examples not was the point.
  19. I know that was my point. he may have bungled the Raffy situation but I think he was backed into a corner. Henry obviously wanted him off the team.
  20. Isn't that a very subjective question? I mean he could of just handed Bo Bichette a blank check and made it easy? He could of just offered Tolle/Bello/Arias/Early/Witherspoon for Marte and that would be easy too. Not trying to throw shade here Red, there is a very open pathway to Bres getting lots of criticism for not plugging in that gap, but the offseason isn't over yet. ....but the clock is ticking.
  21. Well I would have put it in that thread but SOMEBODY didn't start it
  22. Dude IDK, then someone is just mathing wrong. Or not? Some of those deals include kickers in them if they're called up to the majors and they end up getting paid more than other guys. Guys who sign MILB deals. We could also see a few more of those before ST. It can all add up to 4-5 million pretty quickly, which is about how much those estimates all diverge by.
  23. I'm not sure if they're actually paying that, I think that money still counts towards the cap. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that is his bonus being spread out for LT purposes. It was already paid.
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