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Bat speed is a big thing for me too. I do wonder, given his age, if they can improve his bat speed. It can certainly be done if he's open to it.

You really had to stretch to make that list, and that's barely 1/3 of all teams. I mean Ivan Herrera? Someone with 203 career games but less than 1/2 those at DH. A lot of those guys were signed to be position players and they DH because they have aged but are under contract, but they can still hit. Of those guys, Hunter Goodman still caught 104 games last year Suzuki still played 48 games in the outfield last year. Sure when a guy falls off and can still hit big I don't think you complain when their name is David Ortiz or Brent Rooker, but I'm sure the New York Yankees would have loved to relieve themeselves of the Giancarlo Stanton contract a few years ago. Many of those guys still played a lot of time in the field, because the team was still rotating the DH position and they were the worse defenders. It's not like teams are going out and signing guys to exclusively be a DH, well at least not often. Guys like Kyle Schwarber exist....but he's the exception. Obviously if you have a guy who can mash you just put him there and don't complain, but these guys playing 50-100 games you call a "DH", do you really think David Ortiz would be playing 50-100 games in the field if he were playing today??? David Ortiz played the field less than most of those guys and he DIDN'T play during a time when you could DH in national league stadiums. I suppose I didn't cover Ohtani, who also happens to arguably be the best pitcher. If he wasn't pitching he'd be fielding, I've heard reports that he profiled as a plus defender in right field. Is that true? IDK, but he is a freak athlete who is DHing because he's also pitching. That's literally a situation unlike any other we've ever seen in baseball. Of course, if you have a guy who can hit for average and put up 30/100 in the middle of your lineup but has no position you make him your full time DH, that model is still always going to work for some guys. But without doubt it is not what is desired by most teams.

I'm fine with all this, except I'd trade Duran for a 3B/2B of equal value, because we literally have two holes in our infield and none in the outfield. Rotating the DH is what the trend is, and it's why having someone like Yoshida burns a spot in the roster. It would be one thing to carry Yoshida, but the thing is you have no room now if someone like Casas or Campbell hits their way back without making other tough Roster decisions. Something gives, now or by the deadline, and if it hasn't.......then something horribly went wrong.

And we are waiting for a Christmas miracle

I’d like to critique my statement to all I want for Christmas is a 3B or a 2bman underneath the Christmas tree. im not greedy; any non 1b infielder will do.

All I want for Christmas is a third baseman

It's not my first choice, but he's fine there for a year. It doesn't have to be permanent. Someone could still get traded once the season begins, someone could get hurt, or a trade could still be on the table for 2027, or he could return to the field.

Duran could just as easily give you an OPS north of .800 and he adds value on the bases and in the field....tremendously compared to Yoshida.

Having a 4th outfielder doesn’t make sense defensively (accept for actual 4th5th outfielders) but in terms of the lineup keeping Duran in there raises the bar. Now what to do with Yoshida…

You hope Casas hits his way back, if he does there’s a spot for him at DH. If you retain all your outfielders you can get them all full time at bats with the DH spot over. Masa doesn’t kill you if he’s in the lineup, but he’s just such a horrible fit for this roster. So much is opened up if he’s gone.

Well seeing how this has turned into the Jarren Duran trade thread I'll keep this in here. But at this point in time I think it makes MUCH more sense to trade Duran for offense, which he is but we need it at other positions. It makes a lot more sense to trade Duran (whether 2 team or 3 team trade) for a 2B or a 3B. This team NEEDS and offensive upgrade much much more than it needs more pitching.

Agree 100% on both accounts

Ok but I wasn't bringin up Joe Ryan or a #2 here, you are the one who responded with "you're not getting a #2 for Jarren Duran" It just kind of felt like you were suggesting that I was specifically saying we would get him for that. That's how it sounded. I'm just saying overall, that Duran is a likely trade candidate and that he has value.

Ok, but in the sake of brevity if the factor of something is by far and large A and not B I'm going to say A. You said I'm thinking like a big market team well I'd say you're thinking more about guys under contract. the difference between 1-3-7 million is miniscule compared to a guy making 15-25 million. I'm not trying to discount it, but I just don't see his salary from last year to this year being a very large factor at all in his value. Like a said....about maybe 10% of his value has decreased this year because a team will have to pay an extra 3-4 million for him.

9% is still 9%. I'm not writting a whole book, theres' nothing outrageous about saying the drop in Durans value to this year is mostly tied into having one less year of team control. 9% 9%? wouldn't teams trading for MORE years like Milwaukee or Cleveland get to those pay raises anyways!!!!!

which mine as well be a long time ago. That was the deadline, this is 6 months later with different players, control, and needs involved and I had never brought up the name Joe Ryan. Clearly Joe Ryan is A GUY you could trade for along with thousands of other mlb players. It's just the way you said it made it sound like I've been beating the trade Duran for Joe Ryan drums. I have not been.

Yes, he made about 3 million more, for a 4 WAR+ player that's a fraction of the value lost by one whole year of team control. Well, if $7.5-8,0 Million gets you one WAR then we're talking about 9% of the total depreciation of his value

Ok but that was a long time ago, I figured we were just talking about trading A outfielder overall. I wasn't specifically saying for Joe Ryan or even a pitcher. BTV Accepts Jarren Duran for Jackson Ferris, Emil Morales, Mike Sirota with the dodgers. THat's baseballs 100th, 98th, and 64th ranked prospect in baseball according to pipeline. 3 top 100 guys. I'm in no way shape or form suggesting we make that trade, or that either side would accept, but rather researching the approximate value Duran would receive in a trade. He certainly is going to get you 1-2 top 100 prospects plus. Those prospects could be used to replenish the system, or they could be used as part of a larger trade for a starting 2B (Marte?) or packaged up with other assets for a #1 pitcher to pair with Crochet. Or saved to used as assets at the deadline. And again, I'll reiterate that it does not have to be Duran, but it's more likley than not the Sox do trade an outfielder. I'd say the liklihood of outfielders being traded rank as follows. Duran/Rafaela/Abreu/Cambell/Yoshida/Anthony

According to BTV, which is a very imperfect source of information. Duran, Rafaela, and Abrue are the Sox 4th, 5th, and 7th most valuable trade chips.

What do you mean? If I could guess are we talking about trading for an ACE? if so I'd agree. Duran alone doesn't get you one but Duran/Tolle/Arias gets a team listening.

I think this pretty much gurantees Casas starts the year in WOO. There was speculation about him being ready by opening day and even if he was ready with all the time he's missed some time in WOO was warranted. That time is going to end up gifting the Red Sox an extra year of team control for Casas. If he spends 1/2 or most the year down in WOO and ends up figuiring it out eventually, it will have paid for itself to start him there.

a #2? who said anything about a #2? I'd say the infield is much more of a concern right now but yes a prospect haul might make the most sense. For various reasons.

I don't disagree his value was higher last year, but most of that is due to the fact he had one whole extra year of team control.

Geeze, you say one word and people freak out. Haul is subjective; what is a haul? a top 25 prospect? 2 top 50 prosects? 3 top 100 prospects? or is it amorphous and vary in comparision to the value of the player being traded???? Regardless of how YOU want to define it my position is the Sox can get good value back in return for their outfielders. Trade prices are high, teams are in need of offense, and they have young cost controlled assets.

Well the term "haul" is subjective I was talking in the aggregate of their outfield talent obviously the return is going to vary by player. I wouldn't under estimate how much teams might be willing to pay for Rafaela or Duran, I read that report too and that was a long time ago. There's been a lot of silence on this front but that doesn't mean conversations haven't been happening behind the scenes. If they make a move, which I'd say is 60-70% likely they trade a starting outfielder. It's going to be very interesting to see what they get in return or what was available.