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Second marriages have higher divorce rates. Get that man away from his girlriend and lock him up in the gym!!!!!

Maybe, even with that I'm not so sure. If you look at the signing grouped together as years, they're not signing a shortage of RHB, or Pitchers out of the Dominican. Those guys just aren't trickling up to the top. I could keep buying lotto tickets and complain that they aren't hitting, I suppose the solution would be to just start buying lotto tickets that are winners. From what I've been reading lately, it seems like more money spent on pitching yields better results in the Rule 5 draft than the IFA arena anyways. But still, numbers isn't the problem, they take pitchers, most just don't pan out.

It makes sense, he has 199 AAA at bats, if he's "ready" then one more month in AAA won't hurt him. This is most certainly the year to do it. The only argument I see against this is if her performs in spring training......which if he does.....it's spring training. We've been here before.

Sox actually draft a lot more college pitchers than highschool pitchers. What they don’t do is, at least in recent years is draft them early and give them money. You can go short stop at pick #12 maybe underslot with a guy and then throw your money at pitchers with your second and third pick. Kind of similar to what they did in 2022 and it was their second 2nd pick who got the higher bonus and is a stud right now (Roman Anthony) I also think there’s so much more fluidity between picks further in the draft than there is up front. For example, you probably have a pretty darn good ideal who is the best prospect at pick number 12th, maybe that is a pitcher, maybe it’s a hitter. But I don’t think these teams definitively value the guy they have ranked 50th much better than who they have 51-60, and that concept probably grows the further down you go. I think you can easily go BPA, draft a hitter first (or not, maybe yoy go pitcher) and take pitchers with your next two picks. What I want to see overall, is more MONEY being spent on pitching in the draft. It’s not just their first pick but rather the totality of what they do with picks 1-5

Exactly my point here. But no, I am not, I am saying I can see the a scenario where the Sox start drafting pitchers higher, spend more bonus money on pitching talent, but still go position player at 12 if they think the BPA is a position player. I’m not advocating, I’m predicting.

Since 2018 the Sox have drafted: 60 pitchers 53 position players That probably surprises people, but this won’t. Those 60 pitchers have accounted for 19% of the bonus pool money while the hitters have eaten up well….81% lol. I got this information from this read, which is pretty darn good and I suggest others to take a look. http://news.soxprospects.com/2024/02/how-red-sox-draft-strategy-has-affected.html?m=1

I think the highest bonuses handed out to pitchers since Tanner in 2017 has been Drohan and Feltman, and without looking it up those guys got around 600k. Drafting a bust 11 years ago is a piss poor excuse for not spending money on pitching. They’re dead last. New prediction. This changes, Sox start spreading the wealth between pitchers and hitters in the draft starting in 2024…..but they still take a high school short stop with their first pick and the board goes ape s***. Book it

If you want to talk about Ball and Groome then yes but the later of those picks was 8 years ago. In the time since we’ve spent the least amount of money on pitching in the draft. Of course we’ve done horribly picking pitchers since, we have t even given ourselves a chance

From Dave to Craig none of these guys have any active involvement in the signing of 16 year old players from Venezuela/Dominican Republic. That’s almost solely on the international scouting department. I also highly doubt anyone can number how many pitchers/RHB we’ve taken over the last 5 years either. But I’d bet some would be surprised if they looked it up.

Terrible at drafting pitchers because we don’t invest in pitchers. I was listening to the last episode of Soxprospects yesterday and I forget the exact timeframe here but it’s been something like over the last TEN years the Red Sox are dead last in MLB in bonus money handed out to pitchers in the draft. They don’t even give themselves a chance to develop good pitching.

I think it was an excellent move, I'd love to see more of them.

I agree.

That's just what BA is reporting. Other names that have signed: Shnaider rojas wilfre hernandez yoandys veraza Jomar fernandez yander bonaci abis prado gilbel galvan madinson frias yohandry gonzalez jesus travieso Cesar Muzzioli Jose Golindano Felxi Belsario Jhon Alcantara

Personally, if teams aren't imaging shoulders and elbows NOW to see if a guy is about to blow it out in 2030 I'm flabbergasted, flabbergasted I tells yea.

I think Rafeal would be eyeing a spot on the big league roster. Not too sure many athletes are gunning for a spot on the minor league team.

If it starts after this season it buys out one.

Talks break down all the time, I just view contract extensions a little differently. There's no team out there bidding against us, and it's not like he has years of success under his belt and more of an incentive to pitch good for 1-2 more years to bet on himself. This is the time to get it done. If I was a guessing man, I'd guess the framework of an extension is predominately agreed upon between the two sides but they are hammering out the years. 5 years and then what? an option year or two? I'd really like to see some option years at the end of an extension that only buys out ONE of his FA years.

How ironic would it be if Giolito came back in 2025 pitched well and the Sox retained him in 26' and he pitched better? I would rather of had one good year and a draft pick. Even more so, I'd rather have almost a completely different rotation.

There’s a difference between reporting rumors on free agents. Said interest can be real but every other team out there can be in on a player too, agents can also leak interest or exaggerate interest to raise a players cost. This is a Red Sox player under team control for the next ten years. There’s no reason to exaggerate these claims. Also Alex Speier is one of the good guys, probably one of the most trustworthy Sox reporters I’ve read. If he’s reporting it, I trust it’s true. I think you can pretty much take it to the bank that they’re extending Bello at this point

Apparently it’s 5 year deal and it’s done, conflicting reports about being announced this weekend or within the next few hours. Assuming it starts after this season they gain ONE year of control? They really don’t wanna sign any pitchers into their 30’s so they? I hope there’s a few option years attached.

If this is true, it would have shown up on a physical. If he was already hurt, sure it may be true. He was also hit with a divorce and had his wife leave him, which lines up almost exactly with the time he went from good to falling off a cliff. Baseball is a physical and a mental game and both those factors can affect a mans performance......But there's at least some evidence of one being true because we know for a fact he was hit with some real life s***. The later is pure speculation. I would have been ok signing him if he was injured, if it was in the mold of a Hendricks/Paxton deal, but it wasn't a rehab contract, it was a pillow contract designed for him to play well in 2024 and opt out. If the Sox knew he was injured, shame on them.

While it's certainly true injuries can be predictable, as they can be chronic issues that fester up over time, often they're acute injuries in which a physical is going to show nothing wrong. This is part of the sport, and it's almost expected nowadays that every pitcher is going to need some kind of surgery at some point in their career. It just really sucks when it happen to a guy you just signed. I think the question now is. Does Giolitos injury make (or should it make) the Sox more desperate to sign someone like Montgomery? or does it make them more likely to save their bullets for another day and say "f*** it" lets roll with what we have and see what we have with these kids, and then we might know who we want to build around for 2025 and beyond????? I say you split the difference, you have an idea of what you think Jordan is worth, and clearly no other team has beat you to it, so you stand your ground. He can help in 2024 and beyond, but it's not worth overpaying at this point for anyone.

I'm not sure what his theory was?

Sox had a winning record against teams above .500 last year (despite being bullied by the Rays). It was the bad teams they couldn't beat. Maybe we don't want an easy schedule early.

Is this also a dropped ball for the other 28 teams who didn’t sign him as well?