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You Don't Have to Baby this Guy Cole completed his memorable night by gassing a 99.1 mph fastball past Yordan Alvarez, letting loose a guttural roar. The right-hander’s 12th strikeout came on his 129th pitch, a career high and the most thrown by any pitcher in the Majors this season, surpassing a 126-pitch effort by the Dodgers’ Trevor Bauer. Beat Houston 1-0. We don't have this type of pitcher on our staff right now.

I've mentioned this several times. Cot's does not have a value filled in for Santana. I've e-mailed them but no action so far. It will be a portion of $1.75M, I believe the major league contract kicked in sometime in May.

I keep hoping for Pedey clone to show up but future utility guy Arroyo keeps showing up....

Sorry, I keep forgetting that there's a draft thread...

Absolutely NOT.....just following up on Moon's thread.... We should not be a seller at this point.... I'm holding back my impulse to buy the championship this year........you know trade away the farm to get Kimbrel, Verlander, etc...lol Just little tweaking and hope Sale, Houck and Brasier returns to their old self.

To follow up, we can replace the three with Sale, Houck and Brasier. We'd also shave off $5M from luxury tax. World Series rotation would be Sale Eovaldi Pivetta Perez/Richards Whitlock, Houck, Brasier, Taylor, Darwinzon, Sawamura

Draft Strategy...something many of us may not be considering..... The Red Sox used the 17th overall pick in 2020 on high school second baseman Nick Yorke who entered last year’s draft ranked the 139th-best player by MLB.com. Boston signed Yorke for $2.7 million — under the $3,609,700 slot value for the 17th overall pick. The Sox then used the money they saved to give third-rounder Blaze Jordan an overslot signing bonus of $1.75 million. Each team has a bonus pool for its Rounds 1-10 selections that it cannot exceed. The Red Sox have the sixth largest total bonus pool ($11,359,600), just over $2.5 million more than the average pool in ’21, per Baseball America. It is $6.2297 million more than the Red Sox’s bonus pool in 2020 and $6.5715 million more than their allotment in 2019. With higher picks in each round, will Bloom save money for later rounds?

Vaz is pudgy, he can't rotate his body.

So let me get this straight 1. Trade Downs for Kimbrel and not pick up his 2022 option. So you give up Downs for a rental. or 2. Trade Downs for Kimbreal and pick up his 2022 option along with $16M? If he makes that trade we might as well have kept DD. It's not in Bloom's DNA.

Does anyone really think Sox would have traded 13 years of Betts for Verdugo, Wong and Downs? There goes that theory.

Not sure I want to pay a prospect AND $16M for 2022 for Kimbrel.....Bloom won't do it....we already passed on him in the past when he signed with the cubs.

yes on High A...but he'd be on fast track assuming he checks all the boxes along the way....

Okay, Davis it is.... But it’s not just the numbers Davis put up last season. Scouts agree with what the numbers say, which is that this is a truly special bat with a chance to make an impact at the highest level sooner than later. The 21-year-old (he’ll turn 22 in September) is the total package at the plate, showing a good understanding of the strike zone and an ability to put the bat on the ball. FanGraphs’ scouting report linked above notes that he swung and missed just eight percent of the time this past season. But it’s the power that really carries the day. Listed at 6’2, 210, he’s a big kid and he hits the ball how you’d expect. The raw power is plus, and given his other abilities at the plate he should be able to tap into it consistently. If there is an issue for Davis, it’s his defensive future. This is something I’d plan on discussing in much more detail if/when the Red Sox do select Davis, but there’s a real debate over whether or not he’ll stick at catcher. On the one hand, he has a huge arm that will be a big asset behind the plate. On the other, his framing skills are well below-average — though robo umps could make that meaningless — and his ability to move and keep the ball in front of him needs improvement as well. The good news is his bat will play even if he has to be moved off the position, but obviously he’s a much more intriguing prospect if he can combine that bat with an ability to stick behind the plate. My sense over the last week or so is that it is more and more likely (though by no means a sure thing) that Leiter, Mayer, and Lawlar (all already covered here) will go with the top three, leaving the Red Sox their choice of who’s next. Davis has his flaws, but he has experience at Fenway and with Red Sox pitchers, and he’s as safe a bat as there is. They could do much worse than this selection.....Per OvertheMonster What level would you start him at? Low A as a 4th Pick? I don't think so....

Moon has spoken and there you go.....Don't give me Betts' stats for this year or next twelve years. Whatever WAR value he accumulated last year will have to stand up against WAR values for Verdugo, Wong and Downs while they are controlled by the Sox organization (Pre Free Agency). As KC and the Sunshine Band sang, Moon says..."That's the way I like it...."

I did not get satisfactory answer I think from Bellhorn (who is much smarter than me) about how to evaluate a player that went on to sign a long term contract with the club that they were traded to as a free agent? Did we not get 5 years of Verdugo's service for Betts' one year of service, along with those of Wong and Downs? Had Betts signed with the Yankees after spending one year with the Dodgers, isn't the trade with the Dodgers evaluated on the merits of Betts performance as a Dodger and not Dodgers and the Yankees? Not sure how Betts new twelve year contract factors into the trade when Betts only had one more year with the Sox. Inquiring minds want to know.

I don't think Notin got the Godfather reference....

Wait, wait....was that Godfather II?

Tell me again the circumstances around Betts being traded to Dodgers? Did we low ball him? He was offended by the offer and his mom said "don't take that s*** from them"? I don't remember. It's been two days since I've been on this thread.

I doubt seriously the team will go over the limit. It's stupid to go slightly over it. It kicks in the steep penalty phases into play for 22 and 23. Time to go over it would be in 2022 and go over it by $39M. That's how you play that game. Go big. Other than Chavis, I don't see us willing to give up any top prospects. None.

I value Sox success above anything else.... If we have better 1B option, go for it. I'm hoping Dalbec would take the position and run with it. Arroyo has chance to do just that at second base. It appears Duran will compete for playing time (not today, when he's ready) NOT against Kike, but against Arroyo. Kike will default to playing the loser's position.

We knew this was coming. Per MassLive The Red Sox also plan on using Tanner Houck soon after the break, though his exact role isn’t yet known. Houck could make a spot start or two by the end of July after working his way back from flexor muscle tightness. “He feels good. Everything went well in the last one,” Cora said. “As you guys know, he’s going to be part of this at one point. How soon, we don’t know yet but he’s important for us and he will contribute.”

Very good....you made me laugh...

No draft thread but Why was Mookie traded, exactly lives forever...

Sale has not pitched in game action since Aug. 13, 2019, when he struck out 12 batters in 6 ⅔ innings against the Guardians in Cleveland. Soon after, he was placed on the injured list with elbow inflammation; after trying to come back during spring training in 2020, he suffered a setback and underwent Tommy John surgery on March 30, 2020. Basically we wasted 7 months. Had he gotten his surgery sooner, He would have been ready for Spring Training 2021.

Dave Dombrowski 1,2,4,5,7,8,10,11,12,13,16,17 and 20 SoxProspects came out of Dave Dombrowski era. His biggest fish was Sale and not having to trade Devers to get Sale. He was hired on 8/18/2015, little too late to do much that season, 78-84. He proceeded to win 3 division titles culminating with World Series victory in 2018. The team finished disappointing 84-78 in 2019. He was fired on 9/9/2019. It was time for him to go but he shouldn't be trashed for what he was asked to do.