dannycater

moon, this is one of the best posts I've ever seen...ever...

Okay, let's look at it another way...in the history of MLB, do you know how many clubhouses had personalites, players who hated each other--the 1970s Oakland A's led the league in drama...who cares..it's talent and what you do on the field that counts...worrying about poor Devers "affecting" young guys is silly. They are not impressionable kids, they are adults who have lives, make money, get contracts to support their families for years to come...worrying about "dissension" is as overrated as anything in sports...

over the top, sure, but I can dissect a baseball game and you can say it's a defensive play, a strikeout, a pitching performance, an error, there are like 7,000 things that affect a team winning and losing...hitting a HR is instant offense and in low scoring games in today's MLB of exit velocity and upper cuts, it's a big thing. So over the top, sure.

Poor Manny he disrupted the 2004 and 2007 clubhouses...and it killed them both years...NOT

hey notin, long time...love your posts over the years...I think what I laugh at is "forcing the issue." I can see actions and attitude that can cause that..except here's the thing--he was under contract for how many years? Who has control, the team or the player? To me, he can pout and hit 30 jacks and drive in 100 RBI and have a high OBP/OPS...who gives a s*** about his "effect" on clubhouse..it's not like the team is .700, and oh yeah, at DH he was destroying ball and Sox have been on a pretty good run...

LOL, the game was 2-0...you really going to post that his HR was meaningless based on Sox throwing a shutout?...you homer in low-scoring games, all makes a difference, having the cushion makes a difference. Stupid post (the post, not you, to be clear).

It got dramatically worse in that Devers is a reliable RBI bat...his last game was quite similar when he beat the Yanks...one big blow cost the Sox on Saturday...It will go down as another tragicially stupid trade by the Henry soccer gang.

This was me on Sox pretty much this season, I couldn't get a discount from DirectTV so they gave me MLB Innings rest of year for free--so that meant I could watch pretty much any Sox game I wanted. Then the Sox just went to pieces and I stopped even recording the games to watc h later. So the Sox started playing better, and I still didn't record games or watch them live. Lousy fan right? So I was thinking about going to see Sox at Angels because in my mind I felt I can still see Devers hit and that's enticing and the connection from '18 WS team. Then he got traded. I still was watching Sox highlights in those condensed games and the short version or even Twitter--Anthony's first MLB HR. And then I realized wait the Giants are playing and I got MLB...so I click the game for the Giants broadcast and I watched a few innings live--and then Devers finally comes up and rips a first pitch single after Mike Yaz singled--Giants didn't rally and lost to Cleveland...what's my point? I really wanted to see Devers hit and I guess I must have liked him a lot to want to see him in a Giants jersey. The fans were excited and embraced him as the team already. You can spin the Devers trade all you want, including the money freedom aspect that Globe's Chris Gasper wiped out (700 mill offer to Soto was out there from Sox)--but the reality is if you are a long-time fan, you start losing interest when every marquee Sox veteran gets jettisoned for whatever reason--contract, poor recent performance, or disgruntled, or felt mistreated--it just gets old. Watching Devers in a SF jersey--that was fresh. Also sad for me, but at same time felt like Marchand on Florida---NHL--totally different scenario, but the end result--B's jettison last connection to Cup, Devers last connection to WS title--lets all get excited about kids I don't know and I don't know if they will become the next Devers, the next Betts, the next Marchand...I feel like I watch small market teams instead of the champions both the Sox and B's were and at the very least were competitive all the time. .500 teams or missing playoffs make it difficult to continue watching. Losing the players that I would purchase a ticket for make it continually worse.

It's fair and you are an optimist, at least as long as I've remembered...that and Tommy Harper and the Pilots. And defensive catcher ERA. glad you are still here doing your thing.

My only problem with Devers was that he refused to speak English in interviews...I think he should have and should still learn the English language as so many others in all sports have done to better communicate with the mainstream media in the U.S. But other than that, I appreciated his career as a Sox and his talent and hitting. He was a part of the 18 Sox champs and I'm sad to see him go.

I don't think he was being personal with you. Just my opinion.

"Rafael Devers was one of 14 players who started every game for their team going into the weekend. Of that group, only Aaron Judge and Pete Alonso have a higher OPS".....that was from Sunday notes by Abraham in Globe

Exactly...this has been a rebuilding year for so many years it's become a running joke. Honestly, and I think most of you fans are pretty great guys and I'm sure made friends on this board and love talking Sox...but it's trades like this and then the reaction of it's always the right thing to do when it's not...it's part of what had me lose interest in this chatroom (again, just me, not criticizing individuals or even the idea of chatroom--go Sox and keep it going)...but it gets old, the narrative with this franchise...why is Breslow the GM? Because the previous few also were Henry way of thinking and it cost them their jobs. Chaim and Breslow are getting directives from Henry. And Henry ultimately is the King--4 Sox titles--and we should all be thankful and to quote someone telling me I can't be critical of the Bruins dumping Marchand---we had our championships and now we are all spoiled brats...what? I don't think so, I like winning and all of our Boston teams should want to win, not find ways to kill viewership or kill fans spirits...Betts was an icon and they wouldn't pay him, but they sure as hell paid Story--you really want that comparison? I don't. I don't care for the high salaries, but Sox invested in Devers...then they screwed it up with him. He was hardly a problem until the Sox communication process and dealings to replace him at 3b became a problem. The Sox were finally playing great baseball--swept Yankees---getting back into WC race--Raffy settled in as best hitter and a DH...nah, let's blow it up....Again.

yes, as Raffy's actions will make adult rookies think "oh wow, I can act like an ass? Terrific, I wanted to be in a country club, 25 cabs for 25 guys atmosphere." Grow up, all of you. It's all ********. The Sox were invested to win and then they did 2004, 2007, 2013, 2018...then Henry lost interest and that's the end of it. This was just no different than so many other Sox errors in judgment, errors in communication, errors in what should be the prime directive-winning. Future book is what I'm seeing and it's kick the can down the road (sorry about using that cliche)...they don't want to win. They don't care, they care about making front offices happier than the players on the field.

Betts trade. Verdugo four okay seasons as Sox, pretty much not all that. Downs 6 for 39 as a Sox in 2022, then gone Connor Wong after a good 2024, 0 RBI in 71 plate appearances this year, .145. There is your future book.

Devers first 32 MLB At-Bats, 13 for 32, 3 HR, 2 doubles, 6 RBI Anthony first 17 MLB At-Bats, 1 for 17, 3 RBI. Casas first 17 MLB At-Bats, 1 for 17, 0 RBI Fred Lynn first 16 MLB At-Bats, 9 for 16, 2 doubles, a triple, 2 HR, 6 RBI

This is the Red Sox brass quote to media: "We have a responsibility to our fans to put out the best product possible in order to win, but in order to do this, we have to make sure that our owner is happy. So when when one of our employees is not a "team player," and when we are alerted also of a possibility to find a Premier League available to help our owner's other club, we must act on it. In the end, we know we are making our fanbase happy and that's also why we keep raising prices. While we have your attention, we have added a new Purple People Eaters jersey for Thursday home games. They are already available on our Sox website. We have new Roman Anthony jerseys too!! Go Sox!"

Can't wait for Sox to finally have back Yoshida...it was a long wait, but thank god the DH postion was free up now for our best contact hitter.

but Crochet does love telling all to hit his first pitch of the game fastball...that's nice to have for the scouting report.

Story, Sandoval, Crawford, some of the Tommy John surgery pitchers...Sox always choose what's out there over what's here. It's tradition....don't forget the love affair over guys like Rusney Castillo and Yoshida--gotta have them at all costs!!

To me the 2025 season started badly with the Jim Rice debacle in ST...that was the beginning of the end for this year...the Sox front office should be ashamed of even how they handled that one. But this is about defending your Ivy League hires. Ask the Bruins--they have Mr. Hahvahd Man who can do no wrong. Paul Revered for his Fire Sale and holding firm that Marchand wasn't worth 21 mil for 3 years...bravo!!!. You won, and so did Breslow. We don't go to games to watch Breslow, or Sweeney (yes they both played but not in their current positions).

Sox invested money in Story and I predict he gets injured by August. He is a disastrous signing for so many reasons. Contact hitting is not his thing either..all or nothing...

Eavoldi wanted to stay a Sox....just saying. So kind of supports the theory about the Sox don't value any loyalty...ask Betts.

great post

Manny wanted to be traded--did a lot to want to be traded--but this happened PRIOR TO 2004...only after the Sox publicly made comments suggesting Manny be traded, AROD be brought back in trade. Then he pouted and was a clubhouse problem and oh yeah--let's see-- the Sox won the 2004 WS. then 2007...so yeah, I guess just trade any player who "wants to be traded."