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Everything posted by notin
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He probably did exactly what you said - tried to pitch through some pain. Didn’t it strike you as odd that Sale, who was known for being underpaid his whole career, agreed to another extension in which he was clearly going to be underpaid? And did so just 8 months before free agency? If he didn’t know he was hurt then, he clearly strongly suspected his 2019 was not going to help his case for a big money deal…
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So… on board with a perfectly healthy (as far as I know) and willing to play for the league minimum Trevor Bauer yet?
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I don’t buy that his horrific finish was necessarily a red flag. Paxton was worse than Giolito over the last 2 months of 2023. 7.62 ERA to 7.14. Does this mean the Dodgers ignored Paxton’s obvious red flag? Guess what pitcher had the worst ERA in MLB over the last 2 months of 2023 (20 IP min)? Hint: His name rhymes with Nate Eovaldi. That red flag didn’t stop Mr. Nate from being s postseason hero, did it?
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I didn’t like it from Day One. It looked like a pittance compared to what the notoriously underpaid Sale would get in free agency if he was healthy. And that screamed to me that he knew he wasn’t healthy enough to get a Price/Greinke contract…
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No. I still thought it was bad because he looked injured. Just because he survived one year of a 5 year deal with his lowest IP total of his career doesn’t justify it. At the end of 2018, did you look at Sale and think “this guy clearly can pitch for 5 more years?” Sale issued time in 2018 and last 147 innings. Giolito did throw 184 IP last year. That’s a big difference…y
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I think this logic is filled with a bunch of assumptions about the guy. Even if your argument is Giolito was inured last year and the Sox medical staff missed it, he pitched on 3 differente teams. He also got physicals from the Angels' staff and Guardians' staff. He fooled 3 staffs?
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And then he went on to pitch 147 innings for the Sox the following season. This case doesn't support your theory very well...
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If Giolito's end of season performance was supposed to be an early indicator of injury, should the Sox not even waste time with Michael Lorenzen?
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If he was pitching hurt last year, then it did not show up in his velocity, which cratered in August but then bounced back. https://www.fangraphs.com/players/lucas-giolito/15474/graphs?statArr=279&legend=1,2&split=base&time=game&ymin=&ymax=&dStatArray=&start=2023&end=2023&rtype=mult>1=15
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He did receive a physical before signing his deal. I would think these MLB team physicians are extremely practiced in looking at pitching elbows and shoulders for damage. My understanding is there is no such thing as a clean MRI for an MLB pitcher, but they should know what to look for by now...
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Why take crap offers? That's not how you rebuild. The Sox had a crap offer for Sale and passed on it, and waiting got them 5 years of a legit prospect/potential starting infielder... Is the plan supposed to be loading up for the future or just cutting payroll today?
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He's not pitching 140 IP next year. He's probably out until June/July 2025...
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Unfortunately not mathematically correct unless you have found a way to divide by his 0 IP...
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Right. They’ve supposedly been marketing Jansen and Martin all off-season, but both are still with the team. So suddenly other teams are going to be interested after Giolito went down? There won’t/can’t be a fire sale until teams are buyers or sellers…
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So… probably not there for the medical staff to catch in his contract physical…
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Was Monty supposed to be a one year investment?
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Henry didn’t go the bathroom without insurance. Of course that might be another matter..
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The Sox may have more money to spend, depending on how much of Giolito’s salary is now covered by insurance. For what Giolito was paid, the Sox could probably pay Lauer, German and Stanek. Definitely two of them…
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We live in a Blame Culture. Something went wrong - therefore someone needs to be accountable. The reality is pitchers get injured by pitching. Has Giolito thrown any pitches? Than that might be the culprit. Teams know this, and that’s why as starting pitcher salary increased, their role has decreased…
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Bello finished weakly…
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Sign both. And Montgomery and Stanek…
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Exactly. The staff overlooks major elbow injuries and then recommends the team pay you as if they don’t exist…
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Should have added Woodruff, too…
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If so, the Sox should have caught it before signing him…
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Partial UCL tear. He’s doing a great job at replacing Sale…
