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“Full Throttle” is a relative term. A Ferrari Daytona at full throttle is not the equivalent of a Kia Sedona in the same state…

What does that even mean?

Maybe, but that doesn’t help the argument that they baked in a TJ. I would hope they acknowledged other types of injuries were also plausible…

The Sox might not get one even if it doesn’t. There could easily be 15-20 teams vying for the services these 5 arms. Not to mention, most free agents return to their team. No former Sox up there to bring back…

Snell and Montgomery could easily get out of hand fast, due to recent award for one and postseason play for the other. Gray? At 34, “out of hand” gets subjective, but I’d call him the least likely of these 5 to have it happen.

Surgeries etc for Sale have been speculated since he was in college. His delivery was always a concern.

In a 5 year span, an even that occurs every 3 years can certainly occur twice. And it has a TWO YEAR WINDOW to start. It doesn’t matter if you agree or not, and April 1 is irrelevant. And Sale is not worth $48mill per year by today’s standards…

I don’t think they anticipated the TJ surgery into his deal. Usually those recovery deals are two years, and probably for good reason. Baking in a TJ into a 5 year deal would be insane. Since a TJ surgery typically goes 600IP / 3 years before the next TJ, the length of that deal could include TWO lost seasons. Is $145/3 a good deal for Chris Freakin Sale? The simplest and therefore most likely answer is akin to what 5Gold said - they hoped he could recover and struck early because he was cheaper….

But at that point it’s already gotten crazy…

If he has a top 10 Cy Young finish in 2024, his vesting option should cause a complaint. Of course, even without a finish if he has a good, healthy year, Breslow can activate it anyway…

Of course that Sale - notoriously underpaid on his first contract - accepted that lowball offer was a very strong indication that he was wagering the opposite of that exact same bet. And he was the guy with all the health answers. You do have to pay pitchers, but you don’t have to extend pitchers with chronic health issues. Eovaldi pitched 4 seasons on his contract. 2021 (5.2fWAR) was great. 2020 was a good 9 game sample that could have gone either way. But the other two years, he combined for .7 fWAR. Good contract? He topped 109 IP one time in the 3 actual seasons. If he got injured again in Texas and threw 80 IP, some would miss him, but he would hardly have been the hot topic he was from lots of people who think hindsight is a valid argument…

I think too risky. If Breslow ignores him altogether, I understand. Focus on pitchers with actual MLB track records…

This is true. I’m not saying the exact terms of the deals could be directly reversed (i.e. Bogaerts get the 5 year $145 mill, deal), but if you’re going with the longer, higher AAV contract, the injured pitcher is provably the wrong target of the two. Obviously Bogaerts being repped by Boras is certainly a factor…

So do you think the Sale extension was a good idea and has worked out? Sure, he’s been hurt a lot. But don’t forget - he is a pitcher…

Of course it didn’t keep us from signing Betts; that ship already sailed. DD didn’t sign Bogaerts and Sale until negotiations with Betts already collapsed. Also, it still doesn’t look like you got my point. If you got it, what was it?

That was a response to a previous allegation. Sorry it lacked the f***ing enthusiasm you think it required. Because my failure to paint it all rainbows, smiles, puppies and burps caused you to completely overlook the entire point…

My predictions aka what is really going to happen aka next week’s news tonight Ohtani - New York Mets. They didn’t shed some $70mill in AAV from their rotation to not make national headlines. Yamamoto - Dodgers. They always get the most coveted players. Nola - Yankees. Actually Phillies seems likely here but I’m shaking up stuff from moon’s answers. Snell - Rangers. Need to step it up to repeat and what better way than adding a two time Cy Young winner? Kershaw - Dodgers. Or Rangers. Or both. Bauer - Giants. Hey they put up with Bonds. Gray - Boston. Ok Probably not, but definitely not Baltimore. Honestly, I’m picking St. Louis here. Montgomery - Philly. DD wants and needs a postseason hero. ERod - Boston. Welcome back! Imanaga - Arizona. They need a SP, don’t mind foreign experience, and with their youth movement, can sign almost anyone. Lugo - AZ. Youth movement, sign anyone. Blah blah. Flaherty - Cubs. No money here but it’s for one year/prove it. Clevinger - Baltimore. They indulge for once. Wacha - Blue Jays. Still chasing respect.

Tyler Mahle just feels like he’s going to the Angels. Straight gut feeling here…

Texas? Angels?

He was injured a lot last year and he was extremely likely to be non-tendered. They dealt him for what they could…

I don’t think Bogaerts’ deal was bad. I said earlier he would not have signed it without the opt out. Obviously I’m speaking for him there, but I’m confident. It’s a safe bet Bogaerts’ people were the ones who asked for it. I just think the Sox blew those negotiations as a set by giving the high AAV guaranteed contract to the injured player and going short and cheap with Bogaerts…

It only does when you look at the other deal handed out along side it. Why did the injured guy get the long, guaranteed contract? And really, would locking up Bogaerts for 5-6 years have been such a bad move?

Wacha wanted 2 years $30mill last offseason and was rebuffed by at least half a dozen teams. Even San Diego only gave him a “prove it to me” deal. If Wacha is holding respect against teams, his list gets real small real fast…

Why not? There are acceptable answers to that question..

I say 1 year - $20mill. With the Mets or Giants…