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Everything posted by notin
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I'd be very surprised if any remotely connected with the Red Sox organization goes to this one little Red Sox forum...
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While it is a good thing that Frazier improved from looking like a guy that Scott Bakula quantum leapt into mid-fly ball to a guy worthy of this consideration, at some point we all know the Gold Gloves are the most questionable of the awards. He is certainly a lot better than he was. And metrics support this as he is tied for 2nd in UZR for RF, but he has a couple advantages, namely the smaller RF in Yankee Stadium and that he played the fewest innings of any of the candidates...
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And while the 2020 Red Sox were a disaster, is this team a more competitive team if Sale and ERod are healthy? Mookie was a big loss. But what really had the bigger impact? How many teams can lose their two best starting pitchers and still stay in the hunt?
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The only real downside to this trade for Sox fans was that maybe Boston would have made the same offer in the pandemic, and he might have re-thought it. But I doubt that was in the cards, because there was no way the Sox were going to keep piling on payroll after payroll without resetting at some point, which they could not do with Mookie and Price on the team. So if the Sox do not trade him, this year would have been a disaster due to not having Sale and ERod out with injuries/disease and Price opting out. And no reset going forward, We could have seen a last place team watch Mookie depart for only a draft pick...
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What if Duran is a poor-hitting weak defender? A poor-hitting glove man at least contributes part time...
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Did Mookie play on that team?
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I'd be fine with that. and unless the money or (more importantly) the years are ridiculous, I really don't care what they offer. 1 yr / $7mill? Fine with me. THese 1-2 year deals almost never bug me, because they have almost no potential for hampering financially the team going forward...
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And f Mookie said he preferred the Dodgers because LA is just a nicer climate than Boston, no one would see any flaws in that point. But when he talks about how they are dedicated to winning just like he is, and says so before he plays a single game there, it either sounds like he's just making up an an excuse or makes me wonder if he forgot he played for a team that won 3 straight AL East pennants and a World Series. I mean, if players are dedicated wo winning and that is their primary focus, does the "harsh press" really bother them much? They probably put more pressure on themselves...
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The Sox just reset the penalty. If they go "all in" for JBJ or Pillar I don't see the harm. Hamilton certainly cannot hit, but the only two times Marisnick has posted an OPS north of .700 were in a shortened season last year and during the scandal-riddled 2017 Astros season. Not only might he not be so good without someone banging a trash can, but maybe re-untiing him with Cora (?) might not create the most positive image for the Sox in 2021...
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Marisnick is certainly a good option for CF if the goal is to get a dirt cheap glove. A couple others who might fit that bill include Pillar and Billy Hamilton. Of course, we do not know who will be non-tendered this off-season, but some candidates who might be non-tendered that fit the requirements of being a potentially dirt cheap glove player include Juan Lagares, Adam Engel, Albert Almora, and Delino DeShields Jr.. Not sure if any of them actually will be non-tendered (except Lagares. Book him.), but none of them would surprise me either. And some more expensive names that will be salary dumps for the other team include Ender Inciarte and Lorenzo Cain. Both are expensive and superfluous for their teams and can probably be acquired with dumping an undesirable deal or taking some cash back...
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Yeah but "Not Being Mookie" isn't the worst criticism a player will ever get...
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Disagree 100%. Stupid rule. I am ok with rule changes, but the idea of disallowing certain strategies simply because some people don't like them is just wrong. Also why no one should be allowed to ban shifts. MLB had other options to speed up games that they have ignored for reasons no one will ever understand....
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A big part of that is how little time he has spent as an outfielder. He only moved there in 2018 for 15 games before a full time move in 2019, and then had no real season in 2020...
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I think they planned to use him as the cover art, but he got injured taking the picture...
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Exactly. It's apples to half-rotten apples!!
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Would you have preferred Steve Pearce?
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But the point being made was that winning the titles makes the downside of megadeals worthwhile. So was Price's contract worth it for the 2018 title?
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Yes, 12 years is longer than 7 years. But 27 is younger than 31. One thing about these two deals is that unlike Price, there is nothing about Mookie's game that has a high probability of leading to an injury that ends a season or a career. While he certainly can have a career-ending injury any day, he is not going to get some wrist or elbow injury from swinging a bat properly or from making a clean play in the outfield. But Price or any pitcher could experience a serious injury from the mere act of pitching. And many, many pitchers do...
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So does that same logic apply to Price?
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Batspeed is a huge part of Mookie's game. He'd still be elite if he ran like Matt Adams...
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So a 40yo Hall of Famer making $31mill is that much scarier than a 38yo former All Star/Cy Young starting pitcher making $31mill?
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You're making my point. Now if you had said "Todd Christianson", maybe..
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Absolutely, Teams have been burned. And will continue to do so. You even left out the completely horrific deal Dombrowski gave to Miguel Cabrera. What deal do you think is worse (i.e. more likely to go sour) 31yo Price at 7 years / $217 mill or 27yo Mookie at 12 years / $370 mill?
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I saw nothing on the board today that changes that...
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True. But Manny's deal was signed 20 years ago. Back when we were still at "82 years and counting." I'd think the Sox financial picture might have changed a bit since then. Could they afford 4 more years of potential decline nowadays? Other teams have locked up their stars into their early 40's. I would bet Mookie's deal, despite being significantly larger, would hamper the Sox a lot less than, say, Joey Votto's will do to the Reds...
