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Maybe not Houck, but fine. I agree much was luck, and his hand in who he acquired in drafts and IFA may not have been meaningful, but it was what it was- better than what he traded away.
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I'm not trying to counter this point, at all, or to say DD was highly skilled at recognizing which far away prospects were going to be good or not. I was just addressing the fact that of the prospects he inherited, the ones he kept did better than the ones he traded, so I can't see this jiving with the idea he emptied or tore down the farm he inherited. Yes, we lost some ML ready or near ML ready prospects that ended up leaving a lull in significant graduates from devers to Houck, and that hurt the next GM, out of the gate, but overall, he built back more than he emptied- it just took a lot of time. The Betts decision is not related to the point I was addressing.
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Looking at K's per PA and BBs per PA, here is the SSS comp to 2023: K%; 28% (22% in '23) B%: 9% (8% in '23) We did face some tough pitchers in SEA, and OAK is a pitcher's park, but the park does not affect Ks and BBs. OBP: .317 (.324 '23) SLG: .350 (.424 '23) OPS: .667 (.748 '23) We only have one batter with 14+ PAs and an OPS over .707, and it is Rafaela at 1.145. (McGuire is at .962 with 13 PAs.) Duran has a .393 OBP, and Yoshida is at .348. Story leads the team in RBIs at 4. The pitching has carried us, for sure. The D has been much improved.
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Many who spoke of having Rafaela spending time in AAA did not mention anything about "seasoning." They spoke of gaining a year of control and there not being enough playing time for everyone, including Abreu. Well, Ref got hurt and Abreu has sucked, so I think everybody wanted Rafaela on the opening day 26 man roster, if not starting. It was not crazy thinking. If Rafaela was playing like Abreu, now, there might still be talk of sending him down to gain a year of control.
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So, Moncada, Kopech, Margot, Espinal, Dubon vs Devers, Houck, Beni, Beeks and some others. (These were just the inherited prospects that were not traded.)
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Nobody is saying "he knew who to keep." I even said it might have been luck. The fact is he kept the right guys, for whatever reason and the ones he "emptied," mostly sucked or vastly underperformed expectations. Can you answer my question? Were the guys he kept better or worse than the ones he traded? We can see he got lucky, but he did keep Devers and Beni, who were highly ranked his last year in BOS. Just those two are better than all he traded combined. If he got lucky, so what? It does not change the fact that he replenished the farm as he was trading players away. It did cause a period of almost no significant garduations from Devers to Houck, but the guys he kept were better than those he traded, right or wrong. Can you please answer?
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Maybe? In hindsight and overall, they were clearly overrated. Some got hurt. That is unfortunate and hard to call "overrated," but the fact is, the vast majority underperformed expectations- many by a lot, and even the ones who did okay, many did less than expected (Moncada, Kopech.)
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Yes, I mentioned how GM might not have been instrumental in choosing which prospects are drafted or signed as IFAs, or just how good they were when newbies, but the fact is, DD did not trade the ones that were better, and as I said before, maybe "by luck" or whatever, but the end balance sheet shows he did not empty or tear down the farm. The guys he traded did worse than the guys he kept (Ben's guys) or added (his guys).
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The GM does make the final call on which prospects to trade or keep.
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Many of the guys DD traded, in hindsight, were over-rated. Trading them for very useful pieces worked out well. While DD was trading away many prospects, he was adding better ones. I don't see how that can be viewed as tearing down or emptying. No, he did not do a great job, especially when adding pitching prospects, but the terms "tear down" and "emptied" just don't make sense to me. In hindsight, the guys DD kept did much better than the guys he traded, despite many of those traded being highly regarded, at the time.
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My list shows the guys he inherited and kept. Just what you asked for. I even provided a short list of those he trades and did more than squat. I asked you what list was better. Kept: Devers Houck Duran Bello Crawford Casas Rafaela The best performers he traded were: Moncada Kopech Margot Which list is better?
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April 2 Sox at Oakland AAAA's
moonslav59 replied to vegasbob's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
A 1 page game thread. I think the number of posts equaled the attendance. -
April 2 Sox at Oakland AAAA's
moonslav59 replied to vegasbob's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
Story seems to be coming to life. A couple big ribbies. -
April 2 Sox at Oakland AAAA's
moonslav59 replied to vegasbob's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
That was a beauty. No other OF'er on this team makes that play. -
April 2 Sox at Oakland AAAA's
moonslav59 replied to vegasbob's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
Huge win. Not easy. -
DD traded over 20 players, who were at one point a top 20 prospect. Many had dropped down, when traded, but many were still highly regarded. Almost all of the ones he traded underperformed, got hurt or just plain sucked. I guess, if you want, you can say he emptied the farm, but he ended up keeping the ones that have done better. Some were from Ben and some were his own. Kept: Devers Houck Duran Bello Crawford Casas Rafaela The best performers he traded were: Moncada Kopech Margot Which list is better? If you kept filling the farm as you emptied it, and kept the best ones you inherited, is that really emptying it?
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His guys were part of his farm, but I'll answer: Prospects he kept: (Fall 2015) 2. Devers 5. Beni 8. Johnson 10. Marrero 11. Chavis 14. TBall Others in the system but not yet ranked in 2015: Beeks, Rusney, G Bautista ERod just graduated a month before he joined the Sox. Owens, too.
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Huh? All of DD's guys were there when he was here. Casas was our #1 prospect when DD left: he was NOT traded. (In system for more than a year) Dalbec was #5: maybe should have been traded by Bloom after 2021 (1+ yr) Duran was #5. (1+ yr) Houck was #6 and in the system for 2 yrs (was #6 at end of 2018) Murphy, Bello, Rafaela... I get the pont about some of these guys being so far away, it was hard to know who was good or not, but DD chose well, lucky or whatever. Do you still think he emptied the farm? (The Bloom list was added, so people know who were not DD guys.)
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I wonder if the Sea Dogs would beat Woo in a 7 game series.
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Some call it luck that he kept "the right guys." To me, that doesn't matter. The fact is he did pretty damn good with his farm passed on, and with the ones he traded away. FYI: Bloom guys (many are still months to several years away from the bigs of flame outs.) Prospects when acquired: Whitlock, Wink, Abreu, Valdez, Slaten, Bernardino, Kelly, DHam (Anthony, Mayer, Teel & others) Non-prospects when acquired: Pivetta, McGuire, Refsnyder, Reyes Jansen, MartinGio, Story, Yoshi
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With inflation, he probably will, assuming he does well.
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These days, many SP'ers just go 18 batters, if they are lucky. It's fine, if you have a good pen with some good long men.
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Jupiter would be so much cooler!
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Lasst season... 25 pitchers had 180+ IP 56 had 150+ (almost 2 per team) 67 had 140+ (about 2 per team) 83 had 130+ (that's almost 3 per team)
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Some interesting career comps: Pitch 1-25, 26-50, 51-75 and 76-100: RP & SP .516>.653>.822>.830 Houck .686>.605>.779>.923 Whitlock AS SP: 1st PA, 2nd PA, 3rd PA .566>.700>.949 Houck .761>.660>>1.103 Whitlock
