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Everything posted by moonslav59
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So, we both value him about the same. We both want him gone. I'm just looking for another way to do it. I'd even include a blocked prospect or two to get a return that might help.
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A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part I
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ND better not take Georgia Tech for granted, especially at their home field. Other big games, today: #2 Oregon already won big over Purdue #6 MIA is about to win vs Louisville #10 Clemson took care of VA 48-31. #13 BYU beat OKL St 38-35, yesterday. They may challenge for a top 12 playoff slot. #5 GA at #1TX #7 AL at #11 TN #14 TX A&M at MS #24 MI at #22 IL UCF at #9 IA St My upset prediction: #LSU loses at Arkansas
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I don't think I am. I've often said we'd have to pay almost all his salary for nothing in return- not even a "low level prospect" you mention. Maybe, just maybe, we'd save $3-6M/yr, if some team thinks they'd pay that to a FA Yoshida. My idea of taking another team's salary dump as part of the return is assuming the other team does not want the pitcher about as much as how little we want Yoshida. The net money exchange would still mean we pay more than they do, so they achieve their goal of cutting salary and dumping a guy they don't want, while filling a possible need at DH or with a LHB. I've mentioned several times, that team and pitcher may not exist. How much do you value Yoshida? Do you think he'd get a $9M/3 offer, if he was a FA? How about $12M/3 or $15M/3? That's about my range, with a tops of $18M/3. Are you much lower than that?
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I've said it might be impossible to find someone to do a deal like that, because they'd probably just prefer to save as much money as possible and not take on another big contract: Pay enough of Yoshida's contract to make AZ still save money over paying Monty, instead. They save money and get a batter. We pay a little more money than we pay Yoshida, not, but we get a pitcher. like Monty, who could turn tings around in '25. Maybe we pay $4M more than we do with Yoshida and get a pitcher. In theory, we then replace Yoshida at DH with better batters: Ref v LHPs and ___ vs RHPs (Abreu? the possible GG winner, if Anthony plays RF?) Like I said, why wouldn't AZ just get someone to take Monty and almost all his contract? Even if they like Yoshida, they can probably do better. I have yet to come up with this theoretical type trade that I think both sides might say yes.
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The best part is that Dugo's end of the trade is over after 2024. Fitts, Weissert and Judice have years to go. Other deals have a ways to go on 1 or both sides: +0.2 Priester for -0.2 Yorke -1.2 I Campbell for +0.4 Urias (end of control) Note: ICampbell was +0.5 in '23. +2.7 O'Neill (end of control) for 0.0 Nick Robertson & n/a Santos I won't bring up the ATL trade players.
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A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part I
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I doubt anyone takes a call on Yoshida, until he's back and showing he can hit. Even then, the amount we pay will always be the key. It seems almost a sure thing, he'll be on the 40 on opening day- maybe the IL on day 2, but still on his team. The most likely trade gus might be LHB Abreu, LHP DHam and RHP Wink. Not sure what we get for any of them, or some combination of them. A lot might depend on just how much faith we have in Anthony, Campbell and Mayer, and if the service time issue will be a factor, or not. If we assume all are ML ready, right now, and service time is not an issue, a list of players fighting for a slot on the 26 could reasonably include... (assuming health) Wong & ____ (Teel not ready for opening day and does not need to be added to the 40.) Casas Campbell, Grissom, DHam Story, Mayer, Romy Devers (Meidroth likely stays in AAA and not on the 40 to start 2025.) Duran Rafaela Abreu & Anthony Yoshiuda, Ref-EValdez This is 16-17 players fighting for 13 slot, and there is no Gasper, Sogard, Teel &Meidroth.) -
A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part I
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This is the type of deal I think the other team might do- not Yoshi for Monty, even if we add cash. It would improve the defense, and swap a LHB for a RHB, but that's about all the good I see. Worse offense. Worse budget hit, especially AAV. Close call to me. I'm not sure JH would even consider this. -
Very informative article. Thanks. Bailey Horn had some awesome minor league numbers, this year.
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The hard part about matching up with a team looking to dump salary, is that they are looking to DUMP SALARY- not trade one for another. If you lessen the cost and or shorten the years of cost, they may be interested, but if someone else allows them to save more money, and they are in rebuild mode anyway, why would a rebuilding team want Yoshida? It would not be for PR. It would not be for a team looking at a window opening in 2027- just in time for Yoshida's final contract year at post prime. More likely: we find a team willing to take Yoshida and $13M a year x 3 and then maybe take Monty and some cash for DHam or Wink. -
It makes more sense, to me, if we end up paying off much of Yoshi's contract by taking back a pitcher's salary, instead of just cash. I'm not sure Monty has "plus value," so topping other team offers might not be what harmony is suggesting. Any Monty trade might be more about how much AZ is willing to pay down and not what the return package might be. Here is just a made up example of possibly 2 choices: A. We pay $13M x 3 for Yoshi to play somewhere else and get nothing in return. B. We end up with the same net contract cost as A, but have Monty on the roster at no added cost to net A costs. (Or, maybe we end up paying $2-6M more and have Monty vs nothing from A.) Can someone say why B is not a better idea? (I'm not saying finding a trade like that is easy or possible.)
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We'd have probably made the playoffs with Sale, and even subbing just Stroman for Gio. That might not be "there," but some could argue so.
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I totally agree, and have not been quick to jump on Brez. We've already hashed over, enough, all the reasons why the deal might have worked out better. It looks like we might have "fixed" the 2B problem, internally, without or with Grissom's help. To me, much of this off season's final grade will be determined by 2 things: 1. The winter spending budget, which could range from $20M to $60M. 2. Brez's ability and or willingness to trade a top 4 prospect. He might not be "free" to do much more than what Bloom was allowed to do. He might also be told to make certain moves, like dumping a salary. While Bloom deserves all the criticism he gets for his most costly additions- Story and Yoshi, within the context of losing betts, Price, Porcello, JD, Nate, Bogey and others, had that money been spent wisely, it would still have been hard to come close to the talent we lost.
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It could very well happen that we move a GG CF'er to LF in 2025. Maybe, we win 3 GG OF awards in '25/
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I certainly think they may view this year as a punt or more like a "quick kick" as it will be disguised as a real non punt play. However, I really think are "there," now, and one could even argue we could have been there, this year, with just no Sale trade and a different SP'er signing.
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That is fine with me, too- better even, but I seriously doubt sany takers are out there, at least until they see how he does after surgery. Getting another big salary, who pitches, seems like a more likely way to shed Yoshi from the roster.
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