moonslav59

Vaz is quality, and maybe someone likes and needs a guy like Chavis. (See some deals I found that are 3 for 3 type deals that take on some negative salary and give back something of value.) Eovaldi has value, but it's just his contract that scares away teams. If we take some salary back, that cancels out that drag.

These teams have the lowest catcher WAR 2019-2020 combined: (Vaz, Chavis & Eovaldi are valued at 13.1- here is close to equal value) -3.9 TEX (Odor -26, LeClerc 16.8, Taveras 12.6 & Hernandez C-1B minors) -3.5 DET (Zimmerman -4.5, Boyd 5.7 & Goodrum 12.0)) -2.6 COL (Blackmon -11.6, Freeland 16.8 & Amador 2B minors 7.6) 0.4 LAA (Upton -47, Canning 17.8 & Marsh OF minors 36.0) 0.4 BAL 0.5 PIT 0.7 NYM (Syndergaard, Familia & Greene OF minors) 0.9 STL (Fowler -19.8, Gallegos 26 & Reyes 5.3) 1.3 WSH (Castro -2.2, Rainey 10.7 or Suero 9.9 & de la Rosa OF minors 2.6) 1.7 TOR 1.8 TBR (Kiermaier -6.5 & Baz +19.5) , KC & MIA

Nobody is saying to swear by them.

Trade Values rates this as a moderate overpy by the Sox: Eovaldi, Chavez & Vaz for' Syndergaard, Familia and Greene (OF in minors)

My point was that people here seem to think trading Eovaldi is nuts, but when we speak of his value to other teams, he's worthless (actually negative). Same thing with Price. Many hated that we traded him away and paid half his salary... like he's worth $15M a year (about what Eovaldi is being paid).

How about when you add Chavis?

Also, according to some, here, Eovaldi is the second coming of David Price, who was someone not worth trading away.

I'm not saying we'll get an ace. We'll get someone about the value of Vazquez better. Many teams need a catcher. Some teams have a surplus of pitching. It's not going to be easy, but if someone really wants Vaz, they would give someone better than Eovaldi. Also, I only mentioned Eovaldi in passing. We could trade Vaz and Chavis for a pitcher and keep Eovaldi. I mentioned Eovaldi as a possible way to lessen the financial hit signing Realmuto would be. I'm not even sure I want Realmuto.

Dalbec, JBJ & Chavis are 8 for 11 with 8 runs, 7 RBIs and 3 HRs!

Umm, because of Vazquez. Whatever value he has, you add to Eovaldi's value and get a pitcher with that total value. (We could even add someone like Chavis.) If the pitcher we get is paid as much as Eovaldi, then the money part is taken out of the equation. Why do you think Eovaldi+ Vaz= Eovaldi's equal?

He's up to .275, now. Dalbec's 7th HR is unexpected, too.

The Yanks are Houck, lined and sinkered!

Captain Houck!

I would not base our OF plans on Duran playing at all on the big club in 2021. If ends up earning a shot, great, but if we want to win in 2021, we need at add 2 Of'ers to our roster: CF and 4th OF'er.

I certainly felt a lot better about Price, before we signed him, than I do about Bauer, now. It's not easy to make these kinds of calls. Signing Scherzer would have been a great signing. Price will end up costing us over $100M for basically 2 good years- not even close to his best two seasons.

Maybe since it's new management (not new ownership), he could let bygones be bygones. I'm not sure looking to sign ageing vets makes sense to a long term rebuild. Short deals, okay, but Lester may be looking for 3-4 years.

Only if we sign Realmuto. By adding Vaz with Eovaldi, we get a more reliable and better pitcher than Eovaldi and maybe free up some budget space to improve another weak area, but by signing Realmuto, one could argue the budget is hurt by this whole idea. One could also argue saving some money by dumping Eovaldi would lessen the financial hit of signing Realmuto.

Any thoughts on these free agents? LeMahieu $90M/4 Brantley $45M/3 Turner $25M/2 (Move Devers to 1B?) Others listed on bleacherreport that might fall near our likely contract range: Kirby Yates Mike Minor Shane Greene Liam Hendricks Jonathan Schoop If we decide to go larger (maybe for one not 2 guys) Tanaka Stroman Ozuna Springer

Does that mean $10M/2 or $13M/2? I don't think I'd go over $5M a year. I'd like to see what Pillar gets offered.

My guess is he will look for the longest deal possible. An opt out will not be something that would help him as much as others, IMO. I've never been high on Vaz's defense, and I don't know much about Realmuto's D, but if we could trade Vaz and others (Eovaldi?) for a quality, reliable starting pitcher, that might tip the balance on signing him. I'm not sure why hardly anybody wants us to sign Bauer. True, he hasn't been a big innings guy, but that may be a good thing, since his arm has not been over-worked. He has had 26 or more starts since 2014. He's had 28 or more starts in 4 of those 6 seasons, including 34, last year. Yes, his ERA has been over 4.18 in 5 of those 6 years (not counting 2020), but he's been at 3.22 the last 3 years combined. His WHIP over the last 3 years is 1.125 with a K/9 of 11.2. His ERA+ has been at 106, 109, 196, 106, 271 the last 5 years, including 2020. It's at 143 the last 3 years combined. That is very impressive. I agree, he does not deserve David Price money and years, and if someone offers him that, I do not want us to match or surpass that, but I seriously doubt anyone goes that high and long.

Did Price's deal work out the first two seasons? Yes, he led the league in IP year one, but 74.2 IP'd in year two was a drag. ERA+ 122 w TBR 136 w DET 179 w TOR 117 w BOS first 2 years combined. It was year three he gave us his best: 123 ERA+ and 176 IP +26 extraordinary playoff IP.

I hope they sign them both to massive longterm deals.

LOL.My bad. Worse, that's the second time I've done this!

Jacko's silence on these responses is deafening!

I'm not saying I want these guys or would want us to sign them, but here are a few names (with projected salaries by thegamehaus): LeMahieu $90M/4 Brantley $45M/3 Turner $25M/2 (Move Devers to 1B?) Others listed on bleacherreport that might fall near those ranges: Kirby Yates Mike Minor Shane Greene Liam Hendricks Jonathan Schoop If we decide to go larger (maybe for one not 2 guys) Tanaka Stroman Ozuna Springer I seriously doubt we even kick the tires on Bauer or Realmuto.