moonslav59

I doubt the QO matters much, but it can't hurt to not have it. I'm not sure what Betts wants. Ideally, I hope he wants to stay in Boston and won't mind, if we trade him then pay him largely to come back.

Probably No Botchy https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/01/astros-rumors-bruce-bochy-manager.html

I'd say the odds are better than 50-50 Betts is traded by August 1st.

What roster, 2020? Yes, we might contend. I may think it's a longer shot than other here, but many AL teams improved- some by a lot, while we got worse (on paper). I get the business end of the issue. It's all about making money, and trading Betts will hurt sales and viewership. I'm only giving my opinion on what I'd like to see, which is for us to get back to the top as quickly as possible. Pretending to be contenders in 2020 is only going to worsen and lengthen the trip back to the top.

I loved Tito, but you are right. He let the clubhouse get away from him and had to go.

Forget the "or not." It's the obvious solution.

It's obvious, to me, we are punting but trying to keep fans thinking we're not. Our bench is Plawecki, Lin, Arauz and maybe Dalbec or Chatham. Our pen is Workman, Barnes, Taylor, walden, DHern and a bunch of prayers. Porcello> Perez Moreland> Chavis (1B) Chavis> Peraza (2B) Time to reset & rebuild. Make it short.

Walked back or not, it's something they want to do.

So was resetting.

With all this crap going on, not re-setting would, to me, be idiotic. (I felt we should reset, even before Coragate."

But, we'd be hoping one prospect would be as good as Devers. I get the idea that the clock of that prospect(s) we obtain for Devers would begin and end somewhere around 2022-2027 and encompass more "rebuilt years" than Devers (2020-2023), but we know Devers will be great for at least 1-3 years of the newly rebuilt team. Someone would have to blow me away to get me to trade Devers. Once we trade JBJ, he's my fave.

True, but IMO trading Betts should be for a player(s) more helpful in the future than 2020.

I did, too. Usually, I'm one of the last to jump ship, but last year I may have been one of the first.

Devers and to some extent Bogey have enough team control to stay and be around by the time the "rebuild" is complete. I'm hooked on Sale, but logically, he could be on the block, as well. maybe waiting for him to show a rebound might change the plan or up his trade value.) When you can spend like we do, we can have hopes in a quicker turn-around. 4+ year control players can stay. (Sale, Bogey, Devers, DHern and others) 3 year control players are on the bubble- no rush to trade, either. (Trade JD- will opt out anyways, Price & Eovaldi. Beni can be considered. Peraza, Plawecki & Oshic likely won't matter.) 2 year control players could be traded now, in July or next summer, if they are not in our longer term plans or seem like they won't extend. (Pedey is not tradable. Trade Barnes & Hembree. Try to extend ERod.) 1 year players should all go, unless they bring nothing back in return, including salary relief. (Betts, JD, JBJ, Workman)

If we trade Betts, especially for top prospects, then the chances of winning in 2020 go way down. Why trade only Betts, except to keep a few fans from not watching at all? If Betts goes, then it should be a fire sale of all short term contracts.

I've said I'd think about trading ERod and Beni, if it didn't look like we could extend them, but we can maybe wait to deal them. 1) We need to reset to vastly improve our chances at getting better starting in 2021. Trading Price, Eovaldi & JBJ would do that, while also freeing up roster spaces and head aches going forward. 2) We need to get what we can for Betts, JD, Workman, barnes and Hernbree (not much with him). I'm all for ringing Betts & JD back after 2020, if the price is right. 3) We can look to trade ERod & Beni, but I'd like to see how our 2021 outlook looks before pulling the trigger on dealing them. (I'm not for handing them away, either. Equal or plus value or no deal.) I want us to be back near the top by 2021- 2022 at the latest. I think clinging to the hope we win in 2020 seriously hurts the chances we get good quickly and forcefully. I'm not trying to come off as a know-it-all. I've been wrong many times before- most notably the 2013 team, which I felt we "played it half way" and were hurting our chances for 2014 and beyond by pretending to be super competitors in 2013. I get the need to keep fans in the stands and watching NESN. I'm not saying my idea is best for business or is even being considered on the back burner, but as a fan, I think it's the best idea. I don't want to sit through another 2019, unless I can see a light at the end of the tunnel. Keeping everyone just makes the tunnel darker and longer.

I've had more joy watching the Sox these past 17 years than the first 30 combined. Yes, it gets painful, at times, but this team has had a lot of promise, even when losing, for almost 2 decades straight.

There are no aces left. SD won't trade a top prospect for one either. They don't need Myers, and would gladly dump him for nothing, so giving us Myers for Price, essentially means they take a gamble on Price for $27.5M/3 ($96M-$68.5M) or about $9M a year. They paid garret Richards $15.5M/2 knowing he wouldn't pitch in 2019. That's $7.75M x 2 for a big health question mark. I'm not saying the deal is a slam dunk win for SD, but they have plenty of OF'ers and Hosmer at 1B. They need an ace, and at least Price offers a chance of one. Something doing nothing won't solve.

Teams sign pitchers all the time that are worse off than Price. The question is how much will they pay? Some teams sign pitchers they know won't pitch until year 2, but they don't get much. Price is expected to pitch. Yes, it's a gamble, but it's also a gamble on whether Wil Myers or AJ Pollock (or be healthy) will perform well, next year, too.

That's not much. 5% of Price's deal is less than $5M. Price + Eovaldi is about $5.1M. I do that in a heart beat with nothing back in return... not even a Ruby de la Rosa!

Nice try. There is no bigger Sox fan than I am in the whole world. I'll concede maybe a few people are tied, but nobody is more. I'm for trading away many players precisely because I love the Sox and want to see them win for many many years. Just because I have a different view about winning now (which we won't) at the expense of the future does not lessen my fan level of support. I agree, we have a top 3-4 line-up, and we could hope enough pitchers come back strong this year, but I still think with all that happening, we will not be a top 4-5 contender. Can we win next year? Sure. Should we sacrifice more of the future for that long shot hope? I don't think so, but go right ahead, if you want, but when I hear you bitching about how much we suck after 2020, I might have to pull out the old, "I told you so." BTW, I plan on continuing my streak of watching every pitch of every Sox game again, this year, why? Because I'm the baddest Mo-Fo Sox fan walking the planet!

I've never said anything hateful towards Showalter, but I'm not thinking he fits our needs. I guess if we have a fire sale, he has experience with crappy teams...

If we could extend ERod, I might try, even through a longer than hoped for rebuild. I'd rather extend ERod than Beni. Keep Devers & Bogey, try to bring Betts back after dealing him and keep the pre-arb hopefuls.

We also got caught cheating with IFA bonus money not too long ago under Ben.

Trade everybody and promote the whole Pawtucket team and Billy McMillon.