moonslav59

Depth= 5th or 6th starter.

I can see us trading Beni for a prospect and still being in the wild card race, assuming we spend around the tax limit line. If we trade Beni, it's not like Wilson or Chavis is our opening day 3rd OF'er.

I never thought of Vaz as being top 10. His defense and handling of the staff more than offsets his good (catcher) bat.

Here's another one: Beni & Chavis for Javier (SP), Pressly (RP) & Gurriel (1B) + $3M

The BTV site accepted this trade (not that I would do it): Vaz, Beni & Groome for Pressly, James and Whitley (We'd need to find a catcher, and Whitley is a prospect who sucked in 2019.) I like this 3 way deal better: To BOS: Taillon, Stallings, Pressly, Frazier To HOU: Vaz, Beni Ward To PIT: Whitley, Paredes, C Wong

I don't either. Plus, it's not like he sucked in the regular season and was post prime. Maybe they felt he'd hit better in the AL and Fenway Park. Maybe they thought about a somewhat overweight Papi's unspectacular numbers with the Twins before we got him.

Again, I'd be happy signing Kluber at a reasonable cost. I'm speaking about these one day showcase sessions.

I have no better ideas, and I guess watching him throw on one day is slightly better than not watching him at all, but being someone who pooh-poohs small sample sizes in actual game situations as much or more than anyone else, this seems kind of comical, to me. I guess, if he can't throw over 84, it would be telling, but if that was the case, he wouldn't be doing this.

Okay, now I unsurrender.

We don't know what prospect(s) may be offered. Getting a great prospect is not like being "cut,"and it does not mean "giving up" on anyone. It just means you value the return more than what you give back.

1) I never said ignore Beni's last 161 PAs. 2) I never said Hendricks was worth what he got. I've never been as high on Beni as many here. 110 IP by a RP'er is normally a solid 2 year amount of innings. Neither is a very large sample size but since you brought up the two, Hendricks faced 424 batters (or PAs) in his sample size, which is over 2.6 as large as Beni's. Beni's recent woes DOES worry me. I have argued his stock is as low as ever, but I don't think a player's value, as viewed by GMs, goes up and down as much as some seem to think it does based on 150-300 PA sample size or even larger. GMs know players have slumps- some season long. It wasn't that long ago- from the season opener in 2019 to Aug 16, 2019) that Beni had a stretch of an .839 OPS. That's a 506 PA sample size. Should his past 161 PAs really outweigh his previous 506 PAs> He's only 26. He had a .776 OPS over the last 2 years combined, and that dropped his stock. He's got a .791 OPS over the last 3 seasons. My guess is, most GMs see him as a .750 to .800 OPS kind of guy with potential to do much better and a worry that his latest downturn might be a longer term trend. I'd wait to trade him, because I think his stock is low, but maybe some GM does not view him as a big concern and will offer a nice return.

I like Kluber, and would like to see us sign him, if the price is not too high. My post was meant to criticize the throwing session not Kluber. If he hits 97, does it really mean much? If he's wild or shows pin point accuracy, should that really mean that much? One session. Non-game conditions?

So, a 161 PA stretch, which included the 52 PAs from an injury plagued shortened season is very significant? JBJ had had 2 of those stretches in one season- multiple times.

Got me. I surrender.

Maybe small sample sizes do impress some GMs, although his last 110 innings may be kind of a large sample size for a RP'er from 2019-2020. (Only Beeks had more RP IP than Hendricks.) Going more than 1 IP has a lot of value. 0.897 WHIP 1.79 ERA (38 ERA-) 1.70 FIP (2.89 xFIP) 13.1 K/9 2.0 BB 6.7 K/BB RP WAR 2019-2020 5.2 Hendricks 3.4 Yates 3.0 Anderson 2.7 Rogers 2.6 Hand, Hader 2.5 Lugo 2.4 Chapman 2.3 R Iglesias

The guy could hit. End of story. Period.

My ex brother-in-law had a great nickname for Mikey: "I'll pock the ball up when it stops rolling" Greenwell. (He agree with me on Mike's horrific defense.) What bugged me most about his defense was how he'd run back to the wall, slow down, then leap and crash into the wall- usually dropping the ball, instead of running quickly to get to the wall, stopping and then jumping straight up, thereby not having the crashing into the wall dislodging the ball from his glove. He never learned this. He also never learned to catch a high easy flyball while positioning himself for a good throw- although he wasn't bad at throwing out runners.

Beni's 2019 was not as bad as many felt it was. His 2020 season should be written off, and most GMs will not worry over it. I still think now is not the time to trade Beni, but I trust Bloom will not hand him away. The article hints at trading him for a prospect, which I guess teams looking to acquire Beni would be in "win now" mode. Trading him without getting a ML ready OF'er in return would have to mean we will be adding 2-3 OF'ers before opening day... most likely via trade.

Some years, there was just no clear cut "franchise player" or "face of the franchise." Maybe cause we sucked and had no super stud- maybe because we had 2-3. Players I listed in parenthesis were meant as close but not really in the mix. (I meant to explain the way I listed them. Players like "Lynn/Rice/Burleson/Evans" all could be viewed as "the face," but the first one listed was my choice. I listed multiple names so maybe others could remember back and say, "No, I'd say this guy was "the man."

Greenwell was never close to being "the face."

I was hoping to see you give this challenge a try...

Beni Trade Talks on MLBTR https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/01/red-sox-discussing-andrew-benintendi-in-trade-talks.html

Okay, but I hear more about Casas, Song and a few others.

Clemens 86 - 96 Nomar 97 - 98 Pedro 99 - 04 Papi/Manny 05 - 08 Youk 09 - 10 Pedroia 11 - 17 Betts 18 - 19 Xander 20 - present I'd put it this way, and I go back farther (First name- my choice): ???>1974 Yaz 1975-1977 Yaz/Lynn/Burleson/Tiant (Fisk?) 1978-1979 Lynn/Burleson/Fisk/Rice/Evans 1980 Lynn/Rice/Fisk/Burleson/Evans 1981-1982 Rice/Evans 1983-1985 Boggs/Evans/Rice 1986-1991 Clemens (Boggs/Evans) 1992-1993 Clemens 1994-1996 Clemens (Valentin/Vaughn) 1997 Nomar 1998 Pedro-Nomar 1999-2003 Pedro 2004 Pedro (Ortiz/Schilling) 2005-2006 Ortiz (Manny) 2007 Ortiz (Beckett/Manny) 2008 Ortiz-Pedey (Manny/Youk) 2009-2010 Ortiz-Pedey (Youk) 2011 Pedey/Youk (Ortiz-Beltre-Lester) 2012 Pedey/Ortiz 2013 Ortiz (Boston Strong)- Pedey 2014-2015 Pedey/Ortiz 2016 Pedey/Ortiz (Betts/Bogey) 2017 Betts-Sale (Pedey/Bogey) 2018 Betts (Sale) 2019 Betts (Bogey/Devers) 2020 Bogey (Devers/Verdugo/Sale) 2021 Bogey-Devers-Verdugo-Sale

I'm not for rushing him, I was just saying what I think might happen, or why they said me might be ready at some point in 2021. In some ways, I think he might turn out better than Duran.