moonslav59

I'm not sure I'd go that far. $64M/2 Price at ages 35-36 vs (Maybe) $128M/4 Bauer who turned 30, today.

Troll thread.

It's not like Koji sucked before coming to Boston. His 2013 season actually was just following his "curve to greatness:" WHIP 0.955 2010 0.723 2011 0.639 2012 (a fantastic season with TX) 0.565 2013 with Boston His K/BB actually got worse from his amazing 14.3 mark in 2012 to 11.22 with Boston in 2013. The fact that he was our 3rd or 4th string closer is more a question of management choices than luck.

I think the Perez signing means only one more not two. Perez was the "two." (Not counting minor league signings.)

It's only a "good move," if we also sign Odorizzi.

Bauer is not the guy you go large and long on. Just because we need an ace doesn't mean you make an act of desperation.

So, winter signings and trades are over? Nobody ever comes back from injuries? (BTW, the Yanks don't win, if players injured, last year, don't come back.) (Dalbec is still considered a rookie or "ML farm ready.")

Martin Perez. Please, let this not be one of our major winter moves.

Well, they were international free agents, and they ended up making way more money than many on that list, so it just made me wonder why the need for a separate list.

That was certainly part of the advantage to trading Betts. So far, we've not seen it.

I'm thinking we may stay under the tax line, again, this year- just barely. We'll look to add a couple players for the longer term and maybe a couple one and done guys like Martin Perez not Kluber. Maybe we spend very large, next winter.

I'm never onboard with building a rotation from the 4 or 5 slot, but since this can be just a 1 year deal, it's just a punt. As long as we sign someone like Odorizzi (and I'm not sure of who else is "like" him), I'm fine with Perez as depth.

I meant to specify just the questionable pitchers on bot teams- basically every starter, except Cole.

Something in between could help us in 2021 and beyond- like Odorizzi to a 3 year deal.

I'm not sure that is a reason to create two separate lists, but that looks like the reason.

Maybe 2-4 players? He may be only planning on signing 1-3 and trading for 1-3. I'm sure he has a few plan B's he's content with. If we miss out on Odorizzi, Yates and Hand, I'll be more worried, but maybe a couple big trades are in the works. Maybe, I'm totally wrong and all we do is something like what we did, last winter.

I'm at 3.49

What are the odds of either team having a SP'er get even 25 GS'd & 160+ IP?

But still an international FA signing. Why are Dice K and Okajima left off these lists?

I'm not going to pretend I wish the Sox did not sign him for slightly more, but $11-12M is still a lot of money. For a team looking to rebuild- mostly for 2022 and beyond, deals like this are just bridges and fan appeasement type choices and may take away from the ability to build for a stronger long term outlook. Yes, one year deals don't hurt as much when the player flops, but on the flip side, when they do very well, they leave a big hole the next winter. Also, our rotation is full of pitchers with serious health issues. Kluber saw his velocity drop after 2016 from around 94 mph to about 92 mph. It's hard to be critical of his 2017 and 2018 seasons, where he put up some great numbers, including 2 of his best 3 ERA- seasons and, by far, his best two WHIP seasons (0.87 & 0.99), but if his velocity is now around 90 mph, there remains the big question on how effective he can be. If he needs to re-invent himself from a K pitcher or "thrower" to more of a finesse type pitcher, it may take more than a year, if ever. Again, I'm not projecting doom for Kluber. I wish we had signed him to a 1 year deal, but if he struggles, it will be a big step down from Tanaka for the Yanks.

Yates is apparently close to signing with one of five unnamed teams. He wanted $5M+ and incentives that could reach "millions" more, according to MLBTR. FA options are starting to dry up, although plenty useful players still remain. In terms of making a major addition, I'm wondering if Bloom is focusing on trades more than a signing(s).

Must mean Tanaka is going back to Japan. Our next target: Odorizzi. We're running out of top options. I'm at DEFCOM 3.

$11M/1 Not bad. Not sure the Sox could have gotten him for $12M, but I'd have paid as much.

That would all but insure robo umps being approved.

That, too. Had we not traded CC, we might be looking at that signing as the worst ever.