moonslav59
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I agree, and the only way I'm for trading Eovaldi is if it expands the spending budget to allow us to improve our pitching by more than keeping Eovaldi. Of course, by pessimistic outlook on what Eovaldi will give us over the next two years differs from some here, and I'm fine with that. I'd like nothing more than to keep a healthy Eovaldi and make the playoffs, next year and seriously compete in 2022. He is certainly capable of dominating. I will never forget what he did in 2018. He was inspiring to everyone, including his teammates and fello SP'ers who lined up at Cora's door asking for double duty. My philosophy on where this team is at is focused more on longer term gains. Yes, I want to make the playoffs, next year, but I'm more focused on 2022 and beyond, and since Eovaldi is not under control beyond 2022, he's on my trade to upgrade list. This is not a list of trade for the best you can get, like I suggested last year for our free-agents-to-be. This is different. 2 years is 2 years not 2 months.
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Agreed. I was more against including Allen in the deal than Margot (at the time) and felt that package could have netted us a very good SP'er or a cheaper, top 5 closer.
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I'm not against the idea of making him one of baseball's most expensive closer, who might still get hurt, but I'd rather put some feelers out there for a possible trade. I know I sound down on him, but I'm not for just handing him away. He's still worth a gamble, but not at $17M x 2. Over the weekend, I'm going to look at better suggestions than the Longoria/Yaz one.
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Not really. Becket was an innings eater who missed a start here and there. My point was about Eovaldi's missed time not being only TJS-related.
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Very cool stuff, MVP. Thanks.
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Me, too.
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He's been traded twice. One has to think we could have gotten him back- had we really wanted him. (I had suggested various trades to get him back- not that that means anything. I think I've suggested trades for half the players in MLB.)
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Also, he started 9 of a possible 12 starts (60/5=12). That's 75% not 80%. 75% of a 40% season! For this, he should receive praise? Whoop-dee-freakin'-doo!
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These seasons with lost time were not always TJ or floating body related. That was the point I was trying to make. I think he pitched 4 straight months in 2016 and 2018, but you have to go back to 2014 and 2015 to find the only seasons he pitched 5 straight. (I'm not even sure he didn't have to skip a start in those seasons, but I won't complain about 27 and 33 GS'd those two years way back when.
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Eovaldi has also missed starts "here and there" for numerous other reasons. When is the last time he has gone 5 straight months without missing a start?
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It would be like us keeping Bobby Valentine. (Sarcasm alert)
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All it takes is one mammoth series.
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Sorry to hear this. My condolences.
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The more I think about it, we'd need some money coming with Longoria to make the deal "worth it." Part of the idea is that with money saved, we'd get "pitching back" via a bigger FA spending budget.
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Agreed, and the tax on $10-20M for first and second year overages is not as much as what Longoria is owed. My idea was more about the theory on trading Eovaldi for a lesser sunken value plus someone who can fill an open slot for cheap. Odor is probably not "that guy" either, but to me it's not so much the sunken value guy we get back, except if he's paid like Longoria and no money is added, but the guy we get with him.
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Yaz can't contribute? Look, I can see how there are better choices than Longoria. I chose him, because he has a huge gap between what he's being paid and his AVV. Someone like Belt or Pollock is likely a better way to explain the type of deal I'm suggesting.
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Great news for Sox fans!
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I think we spend, but we spread it out.
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Longoria is "sunken cost," too. Both sides are swapping risks for financial gains- one in tax budget- the other in overall cost. SF improves their pitching, if Eovaldi stays healthy. If he doesn't they save a ton money and could care less about the whole Longoria left open. Their loss is 4 yrs of Yaz. If anyone says "No", it would be SF not Boston, IMO. Boston takes on Longoria's back-end loaded contract but saves $6M a year on lux tax budget (2 yrs). They fill the CF gaping hole with a pre-arb player. The savings they gain their and on the lux tax with the Eovaldi-Longoria swap let's them improve their pitching.
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No. I was trading Eovaldi to another team for a CF'er and 3Bman. If Eovaldi is as great as everyone thinks, he'd be helping them. SF would also save money while we save tax budget money. We strengthen our pitching by having more budget space to spend on pitching.
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And what of the guys we get back in trade? Plus the guy we can sign with the saved money?
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My guess is, if he goes to arb, assuming he is healthy, he will get a raise.
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Why? He'll be on the IL all year. Get what you can before he gets hurt. You guys keep acting like it's a given he'll pitch- let alone pitch well for the next 2 years. (Sure, I'm acting like it's a given he doesn't, but history is on my side.) Plus, my main reason for suggesting these type deals is to IMPROVE our pitching by freeing up money to get better or more pitching. By not having to spend on CF or 2B AND by reducing our player contract costs and/or lux tax cost, we can sign another pitcher to replace Eovaldi and/or sign 2 much better pitchers than we originally had the budget to sign before the trade.
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Yaz is hardly Lottery tickets, and we need a CF'er. He's better than Pillar and JBj combined and costs less. With the money saved at filling CF and in the longoria-Eovaldi lux tax balance we sign a better SP'er than originally planned. We improve CF and SP at the same lux tax cost. It IS about contending, next year PLUS Yaz has 4 years of team control to Eovaldi's 2. Win, win, win! Okay, Longoria is a loss. Win, win, win, loss.
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Because, in theory, they were underpaid during year 1 and 2 arbs.
