moonslav59

The offer was Mayer & Duran. Is Mayer a pitcher? Besides, I just said yikes about Ragans being injury prone. He might still be worth the risk, but the problem is we'd need 2 infielders after trading Mayer. Maybe sign Bregman, make that trade and cross your finger. Play Romy at 2B or give KC another crack at it.

Without knowing names, ir is my opinion, we can get a player (2B/3B/SP2-2) as good as Bregman for those two. It hurts losing those two, but my theory involves using the money saved to then sign Suarez or a SP, or maybe two nice RP'ers. Now, the balance looks plus. Of course, if that doesn't happen, then maybe I don't make the trade and we just sign Rengifo and trade a couple bums for a better bum. Yipee!

It means what it says. We haven't gone 5 years since Yoshida. We haven't gone 6 since Story. We haven't gone $170M since Price. We went 3 years on Bregman last winter with a generous optout clause. He's a year older, now. Why is my opinion so hard to understand? Maybe we go $170M/6. I won't be shocked, but I'm not expecting it. I do expect he gets close to that or more. Maybe I'm wrong on that, to. We all have varying opinions on this and other issues.

Mayer plays SS and Romy plays 2B. We also have Campbell and Yoshida who can play LF. I value a quality 3Bman over a 4th OF'er, especially when we have Campbell/Yoshida as our 5th OF'er.

The example that scares me is the last deadline. Apparently, Brez was "in on" many high quality players, and when they came off the board, nobody was left. That could happen, here. What if we end up with Luis Rengifo or Yoan Moncada? Are Kiner-Falefa or Willi Castro much better options? I can't see us losing out on Bregman and then offering more years and money for Bichette. I see Suarez as the only plan B not involving a trade. Now, we have 4 starting FT OF'ers and a DH that might hit .800 (Yoshida,) so maybe we trade for a 3Bman or 2Bman better than Willi Castro. I'm not confident we'd get someone who makes us a clearly better team than 2025, and that should be or should have been the goal and results from this offseason.

You pulled 2019 out of a hat. The point being argued was JH is not the same today as when he took over the team. If you think 2019 is today, that's in your mind, not mine. The Yanks won 5 more games than the Sox in 2025. fangraphs has them projected better by a 2.9 fWAR margin for 2026. A Bregman signing might even that up, but then again, a Bellinger signing would likely put them back up again. I like our team better than the Yanks team: 26 man roster, 40 man roster and farm. In terms of the whole system, it's clearly the Sox, to me. If it's about what owner spends more this year and next, NYY is the daddy, and the Sox are the ugly stepchild. I guess it comes down to what you are looking at. To me 2019 might as well be 2003..

I think Marte is a way better player than Bregman, especially on offense, which is our #1 need, right now, IMO. I'd rather have Marte, but having Bregman and the players needed to get Marte is probably the better idea. I don't think we'll pay Bregman more than other teams will offer, so that's why I think Marte was the better option. Now that he is apparently "off the market," it's Bregman or Suarez. (IMO, there is almost the same odds of us signing Bichette as Tucker or Framber- close to zero.)

I said 1% chance he gets that $32M. Maybe I went too low, but I'd say the odds are very low Skubal wins. I think he messed up his bargaining position by going absurdly high, and not because he's not worth $32M on the open market, but because that is just way too high for the arb model to accept.

I think Contreras has to be considered our FT 1Bman, barring injury. He may catch some, but unless Wong is not on the roster it wont be enough to say he's not our FT 1Bman. Duran will not play any "specific position" FT but may lead the team in PAs, unless Anthony leads off and stay healthy all year. I think we add an infielder (Bregman?) and Rafaela only starts in the infield if there is an injury or emergency situation. With the more-than-capable Romy on the bench, Rafaela stays in CF very close to FT. This might be how the PAs are spread out: 690 Duran (mostly at DH and LF with a little in CF) 650 Anthony (mostly in LF bus some RF) 600 Rafaela (almost all in CF) 600 Story (100% at SS) 600 Contreras (almost all at 1B) 600 ?? Bregman ?? (100% at 3B) 550-600 Abreu (100% in RF) 550 Mayer (mostly at 2B w some at 3B/SS) 450 Narvaez (100% at C) 350 Romy (2B/1B/DH and a little at 3B) 200 Wong (C) 100 DHam (2B) 100 Yoshida (DH/LF then traded or demoted)

Well, two in 2025. He battled injuries through the minors. He started in 2016, had two TJS, missed 2018, 2019 and 2020 fully, and then started 17 games in '21 before reaching the majors in 2022 after 60 GS in 6 minor league years. That's not enough?

Did I say that?

Again, a blatant misrepresentation. I've never claimed he has cycled and will again. I've gone out of my way to say I have no idea what JH & Co will spend. I showed that they did spend more since the date the extended Devers but have never claimed it will continue. I even said they "undid much of the spending by dumping Devers." You claim others often overanalyze your statements, but you continually misanalyze many statements made. JH has cycled spending in the past and may or may not continue with that trend. He's spending double what he spent in 2003. You are right: he's not the same guy. He let other GMs pass him by, and some blew past him. One could argue other GMs have changed more than he has. (Note: I'm not arguing that point, just so you don't go and misrepresent that comment, too.)

In your mind, okay.

This is arb negotiations not FA ones. Okay, they offer $20M, despite knowing they only would have had to pay $19M.

This is how BTV places value on some of our players. This is before they deduct salary or projected salary: $Millions/ years remaining 240/6 Crochet 219/9 Anthony 108/9 Campbell 94/9 Rafaela 83/3 Duran 81/6 Early 78/5 Mayer 76/4 Bello 56/4 Abreu 50/6 Tolle 42/5 Narvaez 36/3 Whitlock 35/3 Crawford 32/1 Gray 27/2 Contreras 27/3 Casas 26/4 Slaten 21/3 Romy, 20/2 Story, 18/1 Sandoval, 18/2 Chapman, 13/2 Oviedo. 10/2 Yoshida ________________________________ By value per season: 40 Crochet 32 Gray 28 Duran 24 Anthony 19 Abreu & Bello 18 Sandoval (YIKES!) 16 Mayer 14 Early 14 Contreras 12 Campbell 12 Whitlock 11 Crawford 10 Rafaela & Story 9 Chapman, Tolle& Casas 8 Narvaez 7 Slaten, Oviedo & Romy 5 Yoshida

Yes, but if the team thinks there is a zero chance they lose the arb, and we are not sure they think this, why find any middle ground?

Another classic injury-plagued pitcher added. YIKES!

I would not even trade Valera or maybe even Phillips for Donovan. I'd give DHam, Sandlin & any or all of these 3: Castro, Bleis and Cespedes

So, the evil empire is defeating us, now? No, he's not the same JH. Nobody is the same after 20+ years. Brilliant point.

Now, you owe me an apology for lying about my position. "I believed" the full throttle statement? What a massive and intentional lie. What they said was a sham. That's the definition of a sham, whether believed or not by anyone. You can choose to believe words mean what they don't mean. You've done that several times before, but please stop the lies about what I believed and said.

KMarte is a much better hitter, but I agree, it makes more sense to just sign Bregman than to trade top assets for KMarte. I have issues with the concept of "making sense," since that involves thinking JH might or will spend large and long on a player that is not great. I'm not even sure JH would okay $50M/2 or $70M/3 for E Suarez.

There are certainly some fans and posters willing to go larger and longer than we both are. If I knew we'd get Suarez, I'd be fine with your limits suggested. I'm not sure of anything with these guys.

We have kept all of our top 5 prospects under Brez and Bloom, except: #4 Teel & #5 Montgomery (with #8 Meredith) for Crochet. (I'm glad we did this one.) #4 Perales for #6 prospect Bennett (We also traded #6 Jh Garcia for Oviedo & a nice catching prospect and #8 Clarke with Fitts for Sonny Gray. I think Aldo Ramirez was #9, when we traded him for Schwarber) We've gone a long time hoarding prospects. If we add #4 Witherspoon to the list to get a top 10-15 batter in MLB who finally fills our 10 year 2B need, I'd do it. Our roster would still have recent grads Anthony, Narvaez, Rafaela, Abreu, Mayber, Campbell, Slaten and others and our top 10 prospects might be... 1. Tolle 2. Early 3. Arias 4. Valera 5. Bennett 6. Gonzales 7. Soto 8. Godbout 9. Phillips 10. Sandlin/Eyanson/Romero/Holobetz That's a nice looking future we'd have kept around.

I think it was more than a Werner sham.

Is anyone in the camp of signing him at any and all cost?