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He was responding to my idea of trading Dugo, signing Duvall and moving Yoshida to DH and back up LF'er.

I'm for bringing Duvall back, not JT. I was just responding to the idea of JT taking the option. If JT wants to return to Boston, so badly, he could just ask for a bump up in salary for 1 or 2 years. I see a way to improve our D and make room for some up and coming younger players without costing us a penny. Yoshida should DH with Casas getting some time, there. That could improve 2-3 positions, as it allows Duran to play LF not CF, thereby improving LF, CF and sometimes 1B.

I'm not. If Dugo gets traded, this is my scheme: LF: Duran-Refsnyder platoon (Yoshida 3rd string) CF: Rafaela and Abreu (Duvall/Duran 3rd string) RF: Duvall and Abreu (Refsnyder 3rd string) We also have Rosier in AAA, next year. We could play Yoshida LF, Duran CF and Duvall RF and not count on any rookies.

We have used several starting pitchers, this year, as many expected we'd need to, due to know and projected injuries or possible demotions. Many of our SP'ers had significantly long stretches of good to great stretches, but none lasted long enough to get us over the hump. Here is a look at those "stretches:" Sale: after his first 3 starts, Sale has had a 3.02 ERA in 13 starts, including the 4 he's had after coming back from a mid-season injury. His stretch from game 4 to his injury was 8 games at 2.87. Paxton: surprised most of us by coming right out of the gates, after missing April, doing well, but his best stretch started from game 4 to game 16 (13 GS): 2.99 ERA. (He was at 5.54 after his first 3 games and has been at 14.90 in his last 3 GS. Bello has been remarkably consistent. The stretch I chose for him started in his 3rd game: 3.20 ERA up to today, but his better shorter stretch was a 2.35 ERA over 12 games from the end of April to early July. The team is 15-8 in his starts and have a losing record in other games. Pivetta: perhaps the biggest "swing stretch" was provided by Pivetta, starting two games after his demotion from the rotation, so in some ways, he does not fit into the title of this post. However, this stretch did include some starts or long relief stints that resembled starts, so here it is: he had a 5.46 ERA on May 24th, then did this... 23 games, including 3 GS and 10 relief outing of 3 or more IP: 3.36 ERA His best stretch was 15 games from May 28th to July 25th: 1.51 ERA Crawford: has been one of our most consistently good pitchers all year. We can view one stretch of his as his whole season, after game 1. 3.61 ERA in 25 games, including 17 GS and 4 relief games with 3 or more IP. He had 2 shorter stretches of 1.82 in 10 games and 3.28 in 12 games. Houck has not really had a good stretch. His ERA has ranged from 3.81 to 4.96 since game 2. There is no stretch of 4 games or more where he had an ERA below 4.00. Whitlock has been consistently bad, all year. The best I could find was 7 games at 3.95. Had these guys had longer stretches of pitching well, or just 2-3 of them, maybe, just maybe....

The similarity was mostly on the philosophy to not trade many/any prospects and to reign in spending.

I've been Turner's biggest fan, or tied with others for that role, this year, but moving Yoshida to DH improves the team defense, while finding a way to play Duran in LF not CF and Refsnyder as his platoon. It gives Rafaela and Abreu a chance to win the CF or RF role. That would greatly improve the CF defense. I'm for bringing Duvall back and then every last penny needs to be spent on the rotation.

Anybody know the average time it takes a college drafted pitcher to not just make the bigs but to start contributing, effectively? I thought 4-5 years, but maybe it should be 3-4 or 3-5.

Not much left to their season, but I like the moves.

Your #5 is my #1 with future hopes.

Kike was clearly Cora's top fave. I'm not sure about JBJ, but that makes sense. I remember when Dugo first played for us, he was really sucking vs lefties, and Cora nixed all talk of platooning him by saying he is our FT RF'er. I'm not so sure that was the first time Dugo did not run out a grounder, but you are right: others have done it, too. This should be a very interesting winter, and I really wish I knew what top brass is telling Bloom. It could be... 1. Make it look good, but we are still 1-2 years away from spending large. 2. We want to make a strong push in 2024 without making any major sacrifices for 2025 and beyond, as in no major prospect trades. 3. Go for it- very few limits, except the $20M over the tax line cut off. (Maybe one major prospect package allowed.) 4. No limits. Win or you are gone.

Until this season, I thought of Dugo as one of Cora's faves.

Maybe he did not foresee the need to PH.

One could argue, why would a team hurting to improve its D, trade away one of the best defensive RF'ers in 2023? One could also argue that one very good year on D in RF does not make him a top defender. I don't think Dugo has great trade value. To get a decent SP for him and a prospect, the prospect will have to be a very good one. I'm not sure how much his "antics" will cause Bloom to shop Dugo, or how much those antics might scare some Gms away from wanting him, but in some ways, it makes sense to deal him and re-sign Duvall.

Kirby drafted in 2019 and made an impression in 2022 (3 yrs). Gilbert in 2018 and made a decent appearance in 2021 (3 yrs) but really 2022 (4 yrs.) Miller was drafted in 2021 at age 23. It took him 2 years to make a significant impression (2023.) Woo was also drafted in 2021 and after 2 years has a 4.15 ERA in 65 IP. Maybe, I need to do some research on the average time college pitchers take to make an impact at the ML level. The Mariners seems to have found a formula that works.

I'm wondering, if Duvall would be better suited for RF, although Fenway's is the toughest in MLB. LF: Duran/Ref platoon (Yoshida as back-up) CF: Rafaela (Duran & Abreu as back-up) RF: Duvall (Abreu as back-up) Trade Dugo.

He'd just ask BOS to renegotiate a 2 year deal.

So, what team is the poster child for drafting and developing pitchers without emphasizing HS picks?

I get that same problem, sometimes. Just don't click save. Hit the back button and it won't erase the post you wanted to edit.,

Plus, with Yoshida almost certainly moving to DH and Duran/Ref in LF, Duvall's return makes sense. Rafaela making the 26 should not make us shy away from Duvall.

If a team could ever go on a 14 and 2 run, now is the time for the Sox to pull it off. 13 and 3 or even 12 and 4 might be enough, if it includes a sweep of TOR and TEX. 3@ TBR 3v BAL 4v NYY 3@ TOR 3@ TEX Go Sox! One last chance for GLORY! TEX does not have an easy road: 3 v HOU 3 v OAK 4@ TOR 3@ CLE (on a run) 3 v BOS 3 v SEA 3@ LAA 3@ SEA TOR has it easier, but still play: 4 v TEX 3 v BOS 3 v TBR 3 @ TBR

Update on standings before the end of the Yankee game: WC2 HOU 77-60 WC3 TEX 76-60 -1.5 TOR 75-62 -5.5 BOS 71-66 -4 from TOR and +3.5 on NYY -9.0 NYY 67-69

So, it looks like you guys "get it" more than the Rays ever have. Your trade for and extension of Castillo was a good choice, too.

Why ask me? BTW, it's obvious people care by seeing all the personal attacks over statements made. Don't ask me why.

SS -13 Kike (Worst in MLB) 1B -10 Casas (2nd worst) 3B -8 Devers (Worst in MLB) 2B -4 EValdez (6th worst in just a few games!) LF -8 Yoshida (4th worst, despite DH'ing a lot and having many "rest days.") CF -3 Duvall (Worst in MLB despite missing about half the season) Team OAA: -50 BOS -23 CIN -17 CWS -15 OAK -14 MIA -11 BAL -10 NYM Our -50 is as bad as the 2nd, 3rd and 7th worst teams combined! Sorry, but that is just plain SICK! It's worse than the 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th combined. Yes, worse than 4 of the worst 6 teams in MLB, combined. SICKO!

Nobody is saying that is the solution. Priority 1: Ace Priority 2: Solid #2 Priority 3: RH'd bat We have a major defensive improvement at SS, right now. That was our major issue. JT leave and Yoshida moves to DH, and a second position improves with no additions. Urias and Reyes play 2B full time, and again, no fix is needed. I'm not sure why you feel the need to minimize the effect our D has had on our W-L record. Talking about it does not mean we think it lost more games than our rotation did. More than lack of timely hitting did. You might not value DRS (Defensive Runs Saved,) but even if you count these runs by dividing by 2, the projected losses caused by them is significant. How does having a few worse fielders in 2004 matter? They way offset their bad D with superior O, and our pitching was better. DRS Numbers -39 Devers (3rd worse in all MLBat all positions from 2018-2022) 2023: -8 Yoshida -7 Devers -6 Duvall -6 EValdez (2B) -5 Duran (CF) This is 32 runs. Our current run differential is +24, so minimizing 32 runs is worse than us hyping it. Yoshida to DH, Duran to LF, EValdez to AAA or DH, Duval to LF/RF and we've greatly improved the D without replacing anyone. Devers to 1B is not essential to making big improvements.