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ETAs on the top Sox prospects, according to soxprospects.com: 2024: 4 Rafaela 6 Yorke (late) 8 Abreu 11. Fitts (late) 2025: Early: 3 Teel Mid/Late: 1 Anthony, 2 Mayer, 9 Wikelman, 13 Sandlin, 14 Meidroth, 17 Hickey 2026: Early: Mid/Late: 5 Bleis, 7 Perales, 15 Castro 2027: 10 Cespedes, 12 Zanetello, 16. Joh Garcia Longshots: 2024: 22 DHam, 25 Slaten (Rule 5), 27 Guerrero, 29 Mata (out of options), 33 Walter, 37 Gambrell. 39 Penrod, 42 Scott 2025: 20 Jordan, 24 Dobbins, 28 Bastardo, 30. Hoppe, 34 Troye, 46 I Coffey, 51 Olivares, 52 Rosier, 56 Liu 2026: 18 Paulino, 19 Romero, 21 Monegro, 26 E R-C, 31 Alcantara, 35 Rogers, 36 Brannon, 38 C Coffey, 40 Paez, 45 Ravelo, 47 K Campbell, 48 Cepeda, 49 Sena, 50 Riemer 2027: 23 Anderson, 32 Arias, 41 Asencio, 44 Yuten, 57 Soto, 58 Early, 59 Judice Post Prospects on the farm, or non ranked prospects thyat may play in MLB inn 2024: C Murphy I Campbell G Weissert Z Kelly C Criswell J Rodriguez J Hagenman AJ Politi Luetge J Benitez Noah Song Roberto Perez C Tyler Heineman C Mark Conreras LF Romy Gonzalez RF Jamie Westbrook IF Matthew Lugo IF Tyler McDonough IF/OF

We have not been horrible, since 2020. The weird thing is, no other ALE team has had a "bad year," since 2021. One could say NYY did, last year, but not bad enough for the Sox to pass. The last 3 weeks of the season allowed the Yanks to finish 4th. I'm not sure what the odds are that another team in the ALE has a confluence of bad things happen, and we could finish 4th, even with a worse record than '22 and '23.

Sounds about right, for now. 85-86 w Monty 83-84 w Clevinger 80-81 w no additions and no major injuries

The Sox are not know for upping their offers, very often, but in this case, I hope they are prepared to do it, at least a little bit.

Depends what you call an ace. To me, he's a top 30 SP'er in MLB, and so should be called a number 1 SP'er (1 per 30 teams.) The word "ace" has many different interpretations. If we signed him, he'd ne our #1, or "ace" as some might call a team's best pitcher.

I'll have a one man parade, if we hit 85.

Love it!

It does also get me thinking, if many of us feel like adding Monty makes us playoff contenders, then are we really as bad without him, as we seem to think? Adding 4-5 wins should not turn us from awful to playoff bound.

Agreed, and it also makes the ceiling a little higher and attainable. AVG Rotation Plus Pen Near AVG Defense (16th-22nd?) Plus Offense

I task you with figuring out Teddy's real BA in his .406 season.

That was worse than losing Betts. Fisk Lynn Burly Also, Cecil Cooper, Bill Lee, Tiant Also before that, Reggie Smith, George Scott and others.

Maybe no parade, but a funner season to watch.

notin & GG are two of my favorite posters. Can't we all just get along?

I don't dispute ERod pitched better, when he pitched. Others did, too. I still think the 4 years of Nate were a clear okay. I'd say it was more on the good side of okay than the bad. I wished he'd have pitched more than 73 games out of about 110 available in those 4 seasons. The 2019 season was bad. After that he was good. All-in-all, he was okay. In some ways, his 4 years were like Porcello's, but Rick pitched more often- just not as well, except for the one year (like Nate.) We aren't counting his 2018 1/2 season and playoff heroics, and that will always be a happy remembrance.

You didn't mention the missed starts by Nate? You did say this, which sounds like you are not counting ERod's missed 2020 season, but count nate for 4 years... ERod only pitched 2 seasons in that stretch and accrued more WAR (by either metric) than Eovaldi did in four. So, because Nate spread out his missed starts, it counts as 4 seasons to 2?

Having those 3 pen guys that can all go 2-3 IP, if needed would be a huge boost to the other 5 RP'ers expected to go just 1 IP per appearance.

Exactly. You dinged Nate for missing starts, but gave ERod a free pass for 2020.

The horror!

He's been a horse, the last 3 years. He's not old. He's not getting the 7 years Price got. We need to get over Price.

Monty has been really good for 3 straight seasons: '21 30 GS 3.83 ERA '22 32 GS 3.48 ERA '23 32 GS 3.20 ERA 2021-2023: 6th in GS (94) just 3 GS from #1. 17th in IP (524) just 3 IP from 15th 17th in fWAR at 10.2 - just 1.0 away from 10th. 20th in ERA- at 84 among SP'ers with 400+ IP- just 5 from top 15. (12th among SP'ers with 500+ IP/ 11th in just straight ERA at 3.48) 3.79 xFIP 1.18 WHIP The guy has been a top 30 SP'er over a 3 year period. He's not HOF, but he's not chump change, either.

I do think there is some bravado with some owners to try and win without being the mega spenders.

$98M/4 with buyout for year 5. That may be the highest offer on the table, right not. Personally, I'd go $100M/4 or $120M/5.

That's what I felt. After all, April, May and most of June are still in "spring."

If we can't use the fact that Nate was better than almost everyone else, then you should not use the fact that others were better than he was in '22. He had an ERA of 94 in 20 starts and 12 RP games. I'm sticking with my "Okay" label, despite the 1.0 fWAR and 1.5 bWAR. Bad in 2019 OK in '20 (missed 25% of starts) Great in '21 OK in '22 All combined: okay.

ERod was on the team for 3 of those years, not 2. You can't ding Nate for missing time, then not count ERod's missed 2020 season.