moonslav59

Exactly, we won't add them, until they are ready for a call-up. Even if we know one will be on the opening day 26, we will wait until the end to do it.

It seems he has more than 45 days. And it looks like just 2023 was exactly 45 days, so I think they just don't update those numbers until the season is over.

With so many roster moves made, the chance of a major roster crunch, this winter looks slim. If we end up adding non Rule 5 players like Mayer, Anthony and Teel, it won't be over the winter. Here is a quick look at the 2025 roster outlook: 40 Man controlled through 2025: Devers Dalbec (non tender/trade?) Houck Mata (non tender/trade?) Wong Whitlock Duran Crawford Winckowski Bello Story Refsnyder Kelly Casas E Valdez (trade? Rafaela Murphy D Ham Abreu Yoshida Bernardino Wikelman (trade?) Perales (might go to 60 Day on opening day) I Campbell Weissert Slaten Criswell Grissom Giolito Romy G Heineman (non tender/trade?) Hendriks Booser Horn (non tender/trade?) Westbrook Y Ramirez (non tender/trade?) Priester That's 37 players with at least 5 players that could easily be DFA'd or traded. One could make the list 6-8 without losing anyone that special. I think Valdez gets traded, and maybe Abreu, due to the LHB unbalanced nature of our roster, us losing O'Neill and all of the top 3 prospects being LHBs. They will not be handed away, by any means, but maybe we can package them for an upgrade in pitching of for a RHB (SS, 2B, RF, 1B.) The Rule 5 list was thinned out, a little, although guys like Paulino and kavadas were not likely to be protected, anyway. Here is the full list with key players in bold, and those I think we protect in RED. Angel Bastardo (Borderline?) Alex Binelas Brainer Bonaci Bryce Bonnin Taylor Broadway Zach Bryant Allan Castro (Borderline) Brendan Cellucci Juan Chacon Nathanael Cruz Theo Denlinger Kelvin Diaz Hunter Dobbins Juan Daniel Encarnacion Albert Feliz Max Ferguson Richard Fitts Michael Fulmer Grant Gambrell Jhostynxon Garcia Bryan Gonzalez Luis Guerrero Francis Hernandez Nathan Hickey Gabriel Jackson Blaze Jordan (Borderline?) Robert Kwiatkowski CJ Liu Eduardo Lopez Elih Marrero Tyler McDonough Tyler Miller Wyatt Mills Yordanny Monegro (Borderline) Juan Montero Wyatt Olds Ronald Rosario Corey Rosier Reidis Sena Chase Shugart Phillip Sikes Karson Simas Adam Smith Nick Sogard Noah Song Luis Talavera Christopher Troye Tyler Uberstine Miguel Ugueto Brian Van Belle Diego Viloria Jacob Webb Jeremy Wu-Yelland I see 4-5 pretty sure bets to be protected and 3-4 "borderline" prospects. With 3 open roster slots and 5-7 players we could DFA or trade away, easily, I don't see a crunch, until we start signing FAs or adding non-Rule 5 guys like Mayer, Anthony, Teel, Campbell or Meidroth.

Agreed. Kavadas looks like a career AAAA player: great for some town's AAA team. Lugo is likely to be the same, but could be a late bloomer and make it somewhere as a LF/DH type (emergency 2B.) Yorke has the best chance to stick in the bigs, and may get a look, this year. Portes is far away but has raised some eyebrows.

MLBTR said this: He has around 133 days of major league service. It’s possible he crosses the 172-day threshold to reach a full service year in 2024, but he’d still be under control for five seasons beyond this one. If the Sox send him down to Triple-A Worcester at any point, that could push his free agent timeline back and give Boston six full years of control. This indicates he can be on the big club for about 38-39 days to keep the 6th year of control.

Our pen was top 5 to 10 in many key categories, all year long, until the AS break. Then, just about every one fell apart. Their replacements did even worse. When you couple this with the pretty steady decline by the rotation, since early May, one can argue we are lucky to be 56-50. I've not given up, but this staff needs to right themselves, and quickly. The next 25 days, we play all the team near us in the WC standing.

Agreed. We really did not give up too much, and we had some duplicated values in LF, anyway. To me, Portes might be the biggest give-away, but like you said, he was so far away, a lot can happen between now and when he's possibly ML ready. The deals were not bad, but we needed more.

Agreed. I did not want a top 10 prospect traded for a rental, so he likely did about the best he could with what he had below #9. I do think Fedde looked like an inexpensive get and had another year of control at $7.5M, but it's hard to know what the CWS would have wanted from us for him.

The more I think about it, the moves Brez made were just a bandaid on a gaping wound. By themselves, they look okay, but in totality, we came up way short of what was needed.

Criswell should be starting. I may be wrong about "going with the hot bat," but pitching is a whole other ball of wax.

Gasper, the friendly 1Bman/Catcher is now at 1.105 with WOO. Rogers went 5 with GRE. 5IP 4H 1ER 2BB 6K Jh. Garcia homered and is at .953. (Will he make the top 15?)

Devers started the year having a tough time with RBIs. He's now on pace for about 100. His current .981 OPS is by far his highest career number and is 5th in MLB, as of now. O'Neill is 13th at .900 Others: .866 Refsnyder (.775 in July) .857 Casas (played for Woo, tonight) .853 Duran (.892 July) .828 Abreu (.884 July) .803 Wong (.654 July) .773 Romy (.849 July) .753 Yoshida (.914 July) .722 Smith (.930 July) .701 Rafaela (.775 July) .690 DHam (.543 in Jul) Note: Bogey has had a nice July and just passed DHam at .695. Devers is 1.107 in July and O'Neill is .961 Too bad the pitching looks like the flip side of this.

Tradition. Have you given up?

Was it real, or did it seem like 100 trades went down in the last 3-4 days?

Word out, the Yanks had a deal for Flaherty, but his medical records caused them to pull out of the deal.

Hey, the Dodgers will be DFA'ing a couple guys, so I'm sure Brez is waiting to pounce.

SEA passed HOU for first in the ALW. The WC race, assuming HOU loses: 64-45 NYY (0.5 from BAL) 58-48 MIN 59-49 KCR 56-50 BOS -2.0 55-52 HOU -3.5 55-52 TBR -3.5 52-56 TEX -7.0 (-4.5 from ALW) The next few games gives us a great chance to gain on those around us, but the opposite could happen, too: 1 v SEA Off 3@ TEX 3@ KCR Off 3 v HOU 3 v TEX 4@ BAL 3@ HOU Off August 22

The post All Star Break Sox have not looked good, at all. The deadline came and went with nothing major happening, but some decent attempts at fixing the pitching staff with 3 rentals (Luis Garica, Lucas Sims and James Paxton) and a longer term try (Quinn Priester.) We also upgraded the catching depth with RHB Danny Jansen. We DFA'd McGuire, Chase Anderson and Brandon Walter. Yohan Ramirez was promoted and struggled in his first game. I have to say the "realistic" view is not all that rosy, but other teams have some major issues, too. That might be our best hope. This team has fought back, several times, this year. The pitching has been in decline, while the offense has been improving. There is not much evidence the staff will turn it back around and do well, going forward. I'm not saying it can't happen, but there just hasn't been any signs of life. Assuming Priester plays in AAA, to gain the 6th year of control, this will likely be the 26 (40): SP: Houck, Pivetta, Paxton, Bello, Crawford (Priester, Keller AAA) RP: Jansen, L Garcia, L Sims, Criswell, Kelly, Bernardino, Wink & Booser (Horn, Y Ramirez, Weissert in AAA) C: Wong & Jansen (Heineman) 1B: S Smith (Casas at end of AUG?) (Dalbec) 2B: DHam & Romy (Grissom, Westbrook) SS: Rafaela 3B: Devers LF: O'Neill/Refsnyder CF: Duran RF: Abreu/O'Neill DH: Yoshida (Valdez) AA: Wikelman 15 Day IL: Martin & Slaten 60 Day IL: Giolito, Story, Whitlock, Murphy, Mata, Perales Hendriks (end of AUG?) The farm got a bit shallower, but we lost no top 10 prospects, except maybe Yorke. We have our work cut out for us. Link: Part II: https://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/20859-A-Realistic-View-of-2024-Part-II

Agreed. 12. Yorke (might have moved to 10-11) 13. Lugo (was up and down and likely topped out) 15. Paulino (was likely to drop to near 20) 28. Coffey (started making some noise) 29. Portes (just 19 y/o) 37. Zeferjahn (not sure he had much hope) 54. Y Vargas DFA #50 Walter

Anyone know why Mayer was pulled after 1 PA?

We lost some farm depth, but much of it seemed duplicated or destined for AAAA status. Portes and C Coffey still had some promise, but pretty far away. Lugo and Yorke were coming on, this year, but both seem destined to be DH/LF'ers, something we have way too many of. I had hoped for better returns, but we didn't really give up much. We should see some serious promotions to fill some of these gaps. Priester might be our #1 ML ready SP'ers on the farm, now.

To me, it seems the Kikuchi & T Scott trades were the only clear big overpays, but I'm not expert on these types of deals for prospects. I had hoped we'd get Flaherty. The tigers didn't seem to get much for him. The Fedde trade looked like a steal, to me, but I'm glad Brez mad e a real effort to improve our weakest areas: the rotation & the pen.

Sounds about right. I had Yorke and Lugo on the top of my to trade lists, so I was not surprised. C Coffey might come back to haunt us, but Portes surprised me. He could hurt, too. A 6 seems right. I wonder how close we came to Flaherty. Was Anderson traded?

Six get Luis Garcia! That’s a nice get. I had hoped for more, but this was a better try than Bloom. Dodgers got Flaherty.

Yup. I posted this earlier... On June 10th, he had an ERA of 4.43 and an FIP of 6.16. It's been 2.40/3.16 since then (15 IP 13Hits 7BB 17Ks 1 HR) .645 OPSA.