moonslav59
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It made sense, because Iggy was never going to start for the Sox. Yes, I think they did not value Iggy as highly as I did. I'm not saying they were wrong, or I am right. Iggy has not lit the world on fire since the deal. The Kimbrel deal made sense too, since we needed a closer... not "perfect sense: though, because we gave 4 prospects and paid near top dollar at the time. The Pom trade made sense too, because we needed a starter. making sense doesn't mean I have to agree with these deals. It made sense to not make those deals as well, but for other reasons.
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Although I disagreed with the trade, it made perfect sense given where we were and how Sox management viewed Iggy.
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Yes, those results are not beyond the scope of reason. Yes, Guerra took a big step back, but he's not toast yet. I think there is a very good chance 2-3 out of Espi, Margot, Basabe, Asuaje or a sleeper do very well in the bigs. I'm not talking role player good. I think Moncada is about as sure a bet as can be. I'd put Kopech's floor at being a top set-up man in MLB but admit I can be wrong. There's also a chance someone else from this list surprises everybody: Highest soxprospects.com ranking: 1. Moncada 3. Espinoza 3. Margot 3. Cecchini 5. Kopech 6. Guerra 7. Basabe 10. Dubon 12. T Shaw (not a prospect when traded) 12. Wendell Rijo 13. Logan Allen 13. Pat Light 14. Edwin Escobar (claimed off waivers) 18. Basabe (the other one) 20. Carlos Asuaje 21. Victor Diaz 21. Jonathan Aro 27. Josh Pennington 30. Aaron Wilkerson 40. Jose Almonte
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On paper, our rotation is much better. That's about all you can hope for, until the games begin.
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Again, I never said he wasn't important. The question is and was and always will be, was he "essential"? As Bellhorn said, "Nobody knows!" I understand the trade. I thought 1.3 years of Peavy was a good haul for a player that was never going to be given a starting slot on the team. That being said, I still disliked the deal back then and still do now.
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Lots of "ifs" in the rotation, but all 7 of our best starters had a great half this year. We only need 5 to do well. I stand by "better by a lot."
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Half the starting catchers in MLB are more defense orientated, so calling Vaz a back-up profile catcher might be premature. Plus, maybe someday he can hit better. Remember VTek had a .739 OPS on the farm and 3 of his first 4 seasons with 200 or more PAs saw him finish with an OPS below .730. Vaz has a .734 minor league OPS, and yes, I just compared Vaz to VTek.
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I didn't say he wasn't a factor. I said was he "essential"? to winning a ring.
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I'm willing to include anyone and everyone who was 18 or younger and ranked top 15 in national rankings. If anyone can help me put to together a comprehensive list, I'd be thankful.
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Gooden pitched 191 innings at single A his first year! And, he had 300 Ks! He then went 17-9 with a 2.60 ERA with the Mets at age 19 (218 IP/276Ks led the league). He then lef the league in IP at age 20 (277) and K'd 268 for another K league lead. He went 24-4 with a 1.53 ERA, but after a nice 1986 season, he never put together a 200 IP and sub 3.15 ERA again. (He only had one more 200+ IP and sub 3.40 ERA afterwards.
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The difference would be if that pitcher played an essential role in winning the ring. Many feel Peavy did not. Some feel Iggy might have booted a grounder for us and lost it for us.
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He might have done better here, but you're right. I do think he'll be a great one. I tried to do some research on 18 year olds that were ranked highly and how they turned out. The only two I found were Todd Van Poppel and Dwight Gooden, but Gooden did jump from single A to the AAA playoffs at age 18- something Espi was not close to doing.
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Good point. Most of the people I know would rather get a $63M gift than 5 million lottery tickets.
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Imagine "that trade" discussion had we not won in 2013? OH MY!
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I don't think we're whining. We're just concerned about the extended future. I, for one, love these recent trades, but I find myself surprised at how some posters seem to think rebuilding the farm with top prospects is not going to be very difficult within the new MLB structure and with no top 20 draft choices for 3 years.
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I think it may be a little awkward having Buch and Pom in the pen. Both will have siliar roles that may not see much of a call for action with such a great rotation. I suppose one could be a one inning set-up guy, but I think you are right. We'll find a way to have one starter on the DL to start the year. Remember, the DL has been changed to 10 days. The side benefit of doing this would be to free up a slot for the three guys without an options remaining: Abad, Hembree and Elias. I really like Hembree, and we may want to keep a lefty around in Abad. Assuming 12 pitching slots to open the season, although I guess we could go with 13, not that we no longer have a DH-only player on the 25 man roster, here's how I see it: SP1 Sale SP2 Porcello SP3 Price SP4 ERod SP5 Wright SP6/Long Relief: Pomeranz SP7/Long Relie: Buhholz Closer: Kimbrel RP2: Thornburg RP3: Kelly (until C Smith returns) RP4: Ross RP5: Barnes RP6: Abad No Wright, Buch or Pom? Then we can keep Hembree or Elias or maybe even have Scott on the 25 man roster and DL 2 from Abad, Hembree and Elias
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I haven't heard anything about Ryan. He's not even in soxprospects.com's top 60.
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Moncada is like giving 5 million lottery tickets in a lotter with a one in 5.1 million chance of winning.
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I clamored too. I feel better about the Kimbrel trade now that closer salaries have sky-rocketed, but still wish we hadn't done it. Everyone knows my feelings about the Espi deal, despite me really liking Pom.
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The biggest problem I had with Cherington is he didn't like to deal any prospects. Dombrowski is the polar opposite, dealing as many as possible (justifying his reputation). While I like this team, I also like a nice balance between the two extremes. Prospects right now are not worth what they were in trades 2 years ago, and this will handicap the Sox ability going forward just as much as not having a pipeline of players.... I think Ben would have traded several big prospects had he stayed but certainly not as many. Dombrowski did have a great draft last year, but he realy hasn't built great farm systems since he was in Florida and had perennial top 5 picks. Granted, it's not a given to get a good farm system that way, but it does make things easier. Dalbec and Chatham could be gems, but I'm not expecting any 12th picks in the next 3 years, so it will be harder to find the next Jason Groome from the 24-30 pick.
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He could. I really like Pom...maybe more than you, but I think I'm probably Espi's strongest supporter on this site.
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Well, since Swihart and Barnes were comp picks, something we likely won't be getting in the next two years, all we have to show for our 16th and below (non comp) draft picks over the last 11 years are Betts, Rizzo and Kopech. There may be a few teams worse than that, but I doubt more than a handful. My guess is the vast majority of teams do better than 1 out of 7 (Kopech and 6 flops) with their 16-35 picks and 2 out of hundreds (Rizzo & Betts) with their 36 and lower picks over the last 11 years.
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But Pomeranz, a former top prospect himself, as not exactly pieced together a stellar career. Personally, I question his ability to even be a major leaguer starter. I think he is best used as a reliever... To me, that makes the Espi trade look even worse.
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Yes, and most were clamoring for prospect trades, because of 3 last place finishes in 4 years. What's going to happen, if we finish in last place in 2021 but have no prospects to trade? They will be calling for DD's head and blaming him for not having a strong farm.
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I'm not talking disastrously bad. I just said "not highly competitive". I don't pay much attention to other teams, but my guess is most teams picking 16-35 do better than we have in that range over the last 12 years. (Non comp picks) 16-35: 26 Chavis. 33 Kopech 14 24 Marrero, 31 Johnson 12 28 R Fuentes 09 30 C Kelly 08 27 J Place 06 Comp Picks: 16-35: 19 Barnes, Swihart 11 20 Vitek 10 28 D Bard 06 23 Ellsbury, 26 Hansen 05 Take away 2005 and look at just the last 11 years, and all we have is Swihart, Kopech and Barnes. 3 out of 11 picks in that range. Betts and Rizzo beyond that range.
