moonslav59

They are still making tons of money, but their NESN share has dropped from a high of 12 in 2007 to 3. While other teams saw attendance increase, last year, ours went down. Teams can still make money like this, but the old way was working, too. I'm not sure the value of the team will keep increasing like it has since JH & Co, bought it over 20 years ago for $750M. It's apparently worth about $4.5B, now, and these guys are tightening their belts, and hiding from the public eye. I'm calling them the "Sham Turtles," until they show me otherwise.

and a couple of F's

Apparently, other teams have plan Bs and Cs.

I think this team is all about 2025 or maybe even 2026, and while I am not as optimistic as I once was on JH "splurging," again, at some point, I do think he will spend more when he feels we have a better chance than we do now. I wish he'd just come out and called it a 5 year rebuild in 2020, had some massive sell-off and maybe we'd be in year one of top competitiveness, by now. The Gio signing just looks like another lame attempt at fooling the fanbase and keeping season tickets and NESN viewership from falling further. Sure, "it's early, still," but this is pathetic. Even a Stroman signing barely moves the needle, to me. Nothing short of a Monty or Snell signing or a top prospects trade for a solid #1 ot top #2 type SP'er is a punt. We should be able to do both and actually have a shot at 2024, without damaging our hops for 2025 and or 2026 and beyond. It's very hard to find a shred of optimism to grab onto, at this point, except maybe saying in January of 2024, "Wait until next year!" (Then, if nothing changes, next year, wait, again?)

Still a lot of the top FA left to sign. Too bad many play positions we are not in high need of, and we have an owner stuck ti misermania mode.

Pretty sure it wasn't BOS.

He was projected as a 4/5 starter with a low 90's FB with "movement," but still... We ain't pivoting to Monty or Snell. Stroman is kinda like getting two Gio's. It looks, to me, like Paxton for 1 and maybe a trade for a 5 year guy.

Oh, I noticed. If you lived next to Scherzer 20 years ago, you'd probably feel the same way.\ LOL

The Sham Turtles

Seems like Imanaga did not cost all that much. It will be interesting to see how that coin toss works out. $9.825M Posting Fee (could increase with options taken or escalators. $53M guarantee for 4 years ($13.25M AAV) 5th year team option $80M max/5 years ($14M/yr) with all escalators kicking in

I kinda agree, but Stroman is better than Clevinger and Paxton, combined. Think what you want about him, but he's started 25+ games all three of the last seasons. 3.45 ERA (122 ERA+) 3.60 FIP (1.18 WHIP) Last 5 years: 3.38 ERA (126 ERA+) 3.63 FIP (1.22 WHIP) This is way better than anything we have and on paper, looks better than many of the guys many of us have been suggesting. Gio & Stroman are better than nothing, but still falls way short of what i had hoped for.

Sidenote on Grissom, reported by MLBTR: Rogers reports that the Braves approached the [White] Sox and dangled infielder Vaughn Grissom, among others[for Cease,]but were rebuffed. Grissom instead went to the Red Sox in the Chris Sale trade.

Nick Saban to retire.

Nobody had Gio top 10, even. Criswell? LOL O'Neill, Campbell and Fitts were not even thought about. That's not to say these deals can't or won't work out, but yes, nobody is getting close to what we wanted.

The idea is growing on me, as more and more targets drop off the list, and word that teams are asking about Yoshida. I could see: 3B: 150 Chapman 12 Devers 1B: 90 Casas 73 Devers DH 67 Casas (+5 days of full rest) 60 Devers (+5 days of full rest) 5 Chapman (+7 days of full rest) 30 Refsnyder v LHPs Maybe sign Duvall (RF or LF) or even Soler (LF)?

So, Pivetta, Urias and LLovera? BTW, I'm a NP supporter. I had hopes for Urias, but his poor D and questionable O, I like what we got for him.

I think he gets 3 years with a 4th year option and no or low buyout.

The good 2020 Covid season got some hopes up in some.

Top FAs still on the board (ranked my MLBTR.) Red= position of need (SP, OF, RHB) 3. Bellinger OF 4. Snell SP 6. Monty SP 7. Chapman 3B 8. J Hader RP 16. Soler DH/LF (RHB) (17. Giolito- signed with Sox) 18. Stroman SP 20. JD Martinez DH 21. J Hicks RP 26. Hoskins DH/1B (RHB) (maybe, if we trade Yoshida) 27. Stephenson RP 28. Ya. Rodriguez RP (SP?) 30. Clevinger SP 33. Chapman RP 34. Lorenzen SP 38. Urshela UT 39. Ah Rosario SS 40. Merrifield 2B 41. Turner DH/1B/3B 45. B Belt 1B 46 Nerris RP 47 Junis RP 49. L Hendricks RP 50. T Anderson SS (2B?) Others mentioned: OF Duvall, Michael A Taylor, J Pederson, T Pham SP Paxton, Ryu, Kershaw RP Robertson, Maton, Stanek, M Moore C G Sanchez

Here's a good one: harmony never thinks a Sox player is worthy of a trade to his team, yet they just claimed Llovera off waivers. Go figure!

He couldn't hit at a skinny weight, either.

Yes, and runs allowed (as well as IP) is what ERA, ERA+, ERA- are all about.

Yanks pivot from Stroman and Monty and sign Tanner Tully, instead!

I remember my ex brother-in-law saying he came from the "pick the ball up, when it stops rolling school of OF defense."

I think Bloom also thought JBJ could bounce back on O and to give us plus D in RF. Maybe the prospects were expected to be the best part of the deal to him, but neither we super highly regarded. I remember saying, "Bloom must like these prospects better than everyone else, for this deal to make sense." Remember, the "head-scratcher" comment that sent some into a tizzy?