Kimmi
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The criticism was never about how good this year's team is.
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Good question Bell, and good job posting it. Fangraphs Depth Charts was not introduced until May of that year, so there are no standings projections. That said, none of Fangraphs' 31 staff members at that point picked the Sox for either the division or the wildcard. BP (Pecota) had the Sox tying for 2nd in the division with the Rays, 6 games behind the Yankees. Davenport had them finishing in 4th place with 85 wins, but with the Yankees, the Rays, and the Jays all with 86 wins. Jonah Keri at Grantland had the Sox finishing in 4th ahead of only the Orioles. So, it could be strongly argued that the Sox were not really considered a contender that season. I concede that they outperformed their expectations and had better than their share of luck that year.
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You have not. That was to the board, in general.
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The thing about a 5 year plan is that it takes 5 years. During that time, you build a team to be competitive without making any big trades or long term free agent acquisitions. You sign the Mike Napolis and Mitch Morelands of the world. I will say again that the Pablo signing goes so much against Ben's grain that I can't believe he was behind that signing. I have no doubt that Ben would have traded some of his prospects in 2016. He would not have given up the package that Dombrowski did for Kimbrel, but he would have moved some prospects to improve the pitching.
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Sale would be part of the 2016 pitching staff. I don't know who the closer would have been, but it wouldn't have been Kimbrel. And I would hope that Ben would stick with the 'not signing pitchers over 30 to big contracts' philosophy.
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I can't really argue with that. I was thinking more of the offense from 2003, and Pedro.
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7/11 Texas Rangers at Fenway
Kimmi replied to Maxbialystock's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
1. Mookie Betts ® RF 2. Andrew Benintendi (L) LF 3. J.D. Martinez ® DH 4. Mitch Moreland (L) 1B 5. Xander Bogaerts ® SS 6. Brock Holt (L) 2B 7. Eduardo Nunez ® 3B 8. Sandy Leon (S) C 9. Jackie Bradley Jr. (L) CF Devers sitting tonight with Nunez playing 3B. Otherwise, the pretty standard line up. -
Due to flukes, not due to roster construction. Nothing can be done about that.
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I have posted before that Duquette gets a lot of credit for Theo's success here and that Theo gets a lot of credit for Ben's success. Just don't tell me that Dombrowski came in here and 'saved the day' with his brilliance. The team was going to be competitive in 2016 regardless.
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I agree on both counts. As to your second statement, Ben was doing just that, and in fact won a ring in the process. Dombrowski's win now method is more apt to give you the latter scenario.
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That's all I want, which is what I've posted many times. It's very difficult to remain competitive every year when you decimate the farm. That's the point. Dombrowski has gone all in to win now. If we do win it all, then we can say mortgaging the future was worth it.
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Did you read the projections that I posted to you? Even the ESPN poll that you posted yourself had the Sox winning the division.
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They did stink. That they stunk is a fluke. And if last place finishes matter because they ruin summers and hurt attendance, then rings matter for the opposite reasons.
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The teams that won under Dombrowski are compliments of Theo and Ben.
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And yet, they were projected to win their division. That they sucked is not Ben's fault.
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Last place finishes have nothing to do with anything, when the last place finishes were flukes.
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That is true.
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He sounds a lot like Swihart. I'm a big believer in peripherals.
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Right on cue. I really should be paying you guys rent.
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Work with me here Bell.
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I haven't seen as much as many people here either, but I'd have to say 2003 was the best team I've seen.
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That was one of the best WS ever. Also, the Yankees are the luckiest team ever.
