cp176
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I just don't think that they wanted to pay the 4M for the guy. I'm going to stick with the concept that if they had really wanted him and saw a primary need for him, he would be in a Sox uni this year. In particular, them not signing him tells me 0 about what their budget thoughts might or might not be.
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Just saying that maybe they realized that spending much at all for Travis Shaw wasn't in the team's best interests. Losing casual fans, as you like to call them, in any size quantity at all will hurt significantly. No one really likes to be called a casual fan I'm guessing but I don't know what the definition of a real fan as opposed to a casual fan might be. Do you think that the staggering number of "fans" posting here are representative of real fans - the folks who watch, listen, breathe, sleep Red Sox never missing an inning are the real fans of the team? I think that likely there are a huge number of fans like me kicking around who continue to want to see this year's team be in the hunt as opposed to setting a primary goal of getting below the luxury tax limit enabling us to be competitive in a guessing game future.
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If your statement is absolutely correct and that getting under the luxury tax limit has become the primary focus of this management group and not attempting to first put a competetive team on the field for 2020, they will lose fans. You likely think that a statement like this indicates that I want to spend more of Henry's money - that would be incorrect. I simply do not want to see any trade that is a ridiculous give away of talent such as the likes of many proposed here, to only justify getting below a certain dollar spent limit.
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Rock hard in your rocker. Throw it toward the window. Sox pitching staff comes back healthy as is we very well might be a playoff team.
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There really are multiple ways of looking at things aren't there. If Pedroia had not been injured, I'm willing to bet that we would not be missing Dubon much. I wonder if anyone really felt that JBJ wouldn't be able to be a consistent hitter and play cf for us for many years to come. Personally I actually felt that Sandoval was going to be able to help just a little as well. As for the pitching staff, I never would have predicted that the injury bug would have hit us the way it did. Moncada is still the only one on the list that might be truly missed.
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I know. I agree. But I can't remember the last bar I was in that rational decisions were being made!
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Kill me with hind sight.
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if Pedro Martinez had looked me in the eye and said I got this guy - just one more, only a complete idiot would have taken him out of the game. Hind sight really sucks doesn't it. Pedro was good enough. Everybody at a bar likely would have taken him out, especially right after so to speak.
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Well how about we go with this one - all things that have been suggested - We trade Price, Eovaldi, Betts, and Martinez for Marty Mcknocsnotz and two of his buddies. We (including JH) will be all set up for the future as long as we pick all of the right draft choices (we know how well they all work out). In the mean time we can go with every journeyman pro that is out there because clearly if you throw enough s*** at the wall something is bound to stick. On second thought - we have no chance - the future is hopeless - damn Dombrowski! I can swing that way to.
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As bright as some of you would like to sound with respect to what John Henry wants to do with payroll and why he fired this one and that one and on and on, unless you are a part of his direct team you really are just guessing. Even the deluge of information that you have found to support your beliefs, bottom line you don't know what is likely to happen. As much as many of you would like to see this team go into rebuild mode, you don't know whether or not that is what is going to happen. This is where I have been asked to state what I think is likely to happen, I can honestly say that I have no clue. I think that it is as likely that JH sells the team as it is that he chooses to go full rebuild.
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I'm looking forward to seeing them all back in boston.
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86 hurt the most for me of course. what made it easier actually for me to take was the hatred spewed toward one of my very favorite players. 67 though was the special season - I listened to or watched at least parts of every game that season. Fell asleep with a radio stuck to my ear numerous nights. Baseball had much more meaning to me than it does today. You tended to know who was coming back next season and who was going somewhere else. I followed those early 60s teams to and I never got bored. It was baseball. I'd take Momboquette, Morehead, and Wilson today!
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i loved each of those years. Have to say though 67 I lived it every day.
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yes he does obviously know so much more than the paying customers. But wait we are the paying customers right? Pretty sure that I'm going with what I feel is right. Inferior product = loss of fans. I have absolutely no sympathy for John Henry regardless of all of the curious interpretations with respect to the money that many here think that he should save to help us down the line. he is a rich man getting richer. he created this monster not his fan base.
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yes I guess I did. After listening to all of the ******** being spat around here maybe I over reacted. If a quality pitcher is traded with no real return simply to stay under some luxury tax threshold, then yes forum will not have me entertaining it anymore.
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My primary concern with Price is his role in that clubhouse. By all accounts, he has been a player whom his teammates respect and look up to. Whether i like him or not is of no consequence. If he is traded for no apparent gain other than a saving of money, that will have a smell to it that i will find tough to deal with. i'm just guessing that I won't be the only fan to feel this way.
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So you also are saying that basically a trade of price to cut payroll is of extreme importance to this franchise. So much so that we should even throw another talented player in just to rid this extremely wealthy franchise of of payroll excess. what is wrong with me for just not understanding this? I have heard all of the arguments as to why this is of the utmost concern too. if this is the direction that our owners decide to go in, it will cost them dearly.
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I really do understand what you are saying here but I'm not going to pretend that losing him does not come at a talent cost. I am so absolutely tired of all of the crap posted here about trying to keep this team below a tax limit that may or may not even exist soon. I think that much will happen and soon if it appears that this team does not appear to be an improvement over last year's team. My guess is that many fans will not buy the concept that cutting payroll in order to build for the future is the best way to go.
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likely not going to happen but if it does what in fact does it mean? Sox lose a starting pitcher to shed payroll. Whoopty freakin deal. They follow through on staying below a certain payroll limit it might be a good thing for those wanting to attend a game. More ticket promotions coming - keep your eyes open. And by the way, as much as the non playing adult world hates this guy, what have his teammates had to say about him? That is what counts.
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Perfect!!!
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this is the truth. The sky is not falling just yet.I think that the whole idea of a blockbuster rebuild is absolutely ridiculous. With respect to Betts, the dollar sign is what seems to be talked about the most here. Personally I would prefer to see us keep this potential generational talent for the long haul. People have bitched about the Bagwell trade on here - a trade that I was very much in favor of. A trade of Betts in no way compares to that one. Some here are just a little too resigned to the idea that we won't be keeping one of the top two talents in the game today in some some attempt to stay beneath a luxury tax limit which soon may not exist at all.
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No one of course has come right out and said that this team will not be competitive but for sure if some of the trade suggestions proposed here are followed it is really unlikely that they will be. Words like resetting and the constant concept of the need to get under the luxury tax limit right now don't instill great confidence in me. the suggestion that we might lose now but be stronger going forward has been suggested repetitively here as well. Tough job for Bloom - I hope that he is up to the task.
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Absolutely the key for me is to have a team that I think has a legit chance to get into the playoffs year in and year out. If you are serious about your statement, then once again we really are on the same page. There might be a few posters here who have suggested that we should have a team capable of 95 wins every year I guess. It isn't realistic at all but oh well. I would look at people like that in the same way that i tend to look at those few who have suggested that the only way for us to be consistently good going forward is to likely be bad for a year or two or three. In my world, both of those concepts are equally ridiculous. I just want a team that can enter the season that I think has a chance - big chance or little chance - I don't care. A chance that is all.
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What a burden a GM has to live with in your world. A pitching staff best with injuries becomes the sole responsibility of the GM. He just never should have relied on all those old guys right. For the record, I don't care who the GM is, as a fan I support them. It is a job I could not do. I should have added that I will support them as long as I think that an honest attempt is being made to put a competitive team out there on the field.
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I'm pretty sure that making suggestions about what to do and what not to do, is far above my pay grade as a fan. So JH has given a mandate to keep the payroll under 208 million? I did not read that. It is an assumption being made I think. The only thing that I am suggesting is that if moving some of the better players in the game today in order to save going above the luxury tax limit is the goal of the franchise at the expense of winning baseball games today so that that we will be a championship calibre team in the future, it will be a huge turnoff for many fans.