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yes I guess I did. After listening to all of the ******** being spat around here maybe I over reacted. If a quality pitcher is traded with no real return simply to stay under some luxury tax threshold, then yes forum will not have me entertaining it anymore.
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My primary concern with Price is his role in that clubhouse. By all accounts, he has been a player whom his teammates respect and look up to. Whether i like him or not is of no consequence. If he is traded for no apparent gain other than a saving of money, that will have a smell to it that i will find tough to deal with. i'm just guessing that I won't be the only fan to feel this way.
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So you also are saying that basically a trade of price to cut payroll is of extreme importance to this franchise. So much so that we should even throw another talented player in just to rid this extremely wealthy franchise of of payroll excess. what is wrong with me for just not understanding this? I have heard all of the arguments as to why this is of the utmost concern too. if this is the direction that our owners decide to go in, it will cost them dearly.
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I really do understand what you are saying here but I'm not going to pretend that losing him does not come at a talent cost. I am so absolutely tired of all of the crap posted here about trying to keep this team below a tax limit that may or may not even exist soon. I think that much will happen and soon if it appears that this team does not appear to be an improvement over last year's team. My guess is that many fans will not buy the concept that cutting payroll in order to build for the future is the best way to go.
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likely not going to happen but if it does what in fact does it mean? Sox lose a starting pitcher to shed payroll. Whoopty freakin deal. They follow through on staying below a certain payroll limit it might be a good thing for those wanting to attend a game. More ticket promotions coming - keep your eyes open. And by the way, as much as the non playing adult world hates this guy, what have his teammates had to say about him? That is what counts.
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Perfect!!!
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this is the truth. The sky is not falling just yet.I think that the whole idea of a blockbuster rebuild is absolutely ridiculous. With respect to Betts, the dollar sign is what seems to be talked about the most here. Personally I would prefer to see us keep this potential generational talent for the long haul. People have bitched about the Bagwell trade on here - a trade that I was very much in favor of. A trade of Betts in no way compares to that one. Some here are just a little too resigned to the idea that we won't be keeping one of the top two talents in the game today in some some attempt to stay beneath a luxury tax limit which soon may not exist at all.
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No one of course has come right out and said that this team will not be competitive but for sure if some of the trade suggestions proposed here are followed it is really unlikely that they will be. Words like resetting and the constant concept of the need to get under the luxury tax limit right now don't instill great confidence in me. the suggestion that we might lose now but be stronger going forward has been suggested repetitively here as well. Tough job for Bloom - I hope that he is up to the task.
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Absolutely the key for me is to have a team that I think has a legit chance to get into the playoffs year in and year out. If you are serious about your statement, then once again we really are on the same page. There might be a few posters here who have suggested that we should have a team capable of 95 wins every year I guess. It isn't realistic at all but oh well. I would look at people like that in the same way that i tend to look at those few who have suggested that the only way for us to be consistently good going forward is to likely be bad for a year or two or three. In my world, both of those concepts are equally ridiculous. I just want a team that can enter the season that I think has a chance - big chance or little chance - I don't care. A chance that is all.
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What a burden a GM has to live with in your world. A pitching staff best with injuries becomes the sole responsibility of the GM. He just never should have relied on all those old guys right. For the record, I don't care who the GM is, as a fan I support them. It is a job I could not do. I should have added that I will support them as long as I think that an honest attempt is being made to put a competitive team out there on the field.
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I'm pretty sure that making suggestions about what to do and what not to do, is far above my pay grade as a fan. So JH has given a mandate to keep the payroll under 208 million? I did not read that. It is an assumption being made I think. The only thing that I am suggesting is that if moving some of the better players in the game today in order to save going above the luxury tax limit is the goal of the franchise at the expense of winning baseball games today so that that we will be a championship calibre team in the future, it will be a huge turnoff for many fans.
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ok - and every other GM before him for everything that didn't work out positively. The beat goes on.
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Much as i did this past year, yes I did lose interest in watching them wallow in the lowdown. "There will always be years that we don't make the postseason" - really Slasher i did not realize that. I thought that everyone must think that me wanting them to stay competitive meant that nothing short of a title would make me happy. lol Sounds to me like you are thinking that it might be ok to lose now in order to strengthen an always unpredictable future. I don't agree. When you stop trying to better yourself, you are a loser.
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Just thought that I would try on that embellishing thing for size. I know exactly what is being said here. I just don't think that there is much reason to feel that the team may put plans of progressing on hold for a few years just to build up the bank. In the event that that does happen or even looks like it might be happening, they will lose fans.
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I had a pretty good idea what he meant.
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so the suggestion is that the Sox will now become a small market team ...?
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I really do hope that you are wrong. if you are right , it will cost the franchise many fans. Me of course being one. I really don't watch much tv but this team has provided great entertainment for me for a long time. Any stinker years at all going forward won't make it for me. Good luck.
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you know me by now notin, i'm just fascinated in general.
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There is a real fascination on this board with the thought of the Red Sox resetting in the near future. i don't tend to think much about these types of things personally. Speaking as a simple fan, you can call it whatever you like, but if I sense that this team is willing to lose so that they think and assume that they can better themselves going forward, I will not be on board. i love the team but that pill would be too much for me to swallow. To not continually be looking to improve right now, goes against my lifelong approach to anything athletically related. Spending money does not always equate to winning for sure but dumping players simply for salary purposes stinks i think. Good decisions have to be made in an attempt to improve.
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I tend to agree with you and i hope that you are right.
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My feelings exactly.
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The key for me here is that I don't know that a perception of our team being highly competitive as opposed to competitive makes much of a difference. being competitive always gives us a chance. Many teams that enter a season considered highly competitive just don't get the job done.
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I think that one of the obvious financial goals that this team has is to stay under the cap. I do not think that it is the primary goal nor do I think that it should be. With that being said, it might be possible that our GM and management feels that trading either Martinez, Betts or whoever else might make us more competetive than we are now based on the return.
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i've always liked Porcello in a #4 role. I'm glad for him that he won a Cy Young but it didn't change my mind with the overall opinion. i would like to see him back in Boston but I don't know if they are willing to afford him. I read somewhere that the suggested cost to sign him would likely be around 11 million. There are going to be more teams interested in him I think than may people expect. he is too healthy and consistent not to demand some interest. A bidding war for his services is apt to exempt the Sox.
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I think that the majority of fans would be extremely surprised if both Betts and Martinez were not in the lineup. i think that the ultimate goal remains to win games not to save money. Moves might be made but I'm betting that they will be made with an eye toward improving our team now.