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very very nice job

I'm futuristic!!! Don't look back on what has been, look ahead to what might be! (hmm think I remember where that came from - just kidding actually I do)

I think that you are giving Nomar too much credit!

Now that does bring back some memories. Gary Gieger (who I bet you never heard of) to Fred Lynn I think is closer.

hmm let see - Nomar is to Mookie as ______________ would be too ______________. You get to fill in the blanks.

Sucks he plays for the Angels doesn't it.

What are you saying notin? Come on now, I don't remember mentioning the Clemens trade. Also are you trying to imply that I don't realize that Betts has one more year to go? You have absolutely no idea what my logic is. Oh and thanks for putting words in my mouth which I did not intend to say. What I said was that trading away Betts for next to nothing in return, without making a really strong effort to sign him, will not be looked upon favorably by many fans no matter how it is spun. They (we) do not see things the way you and a couple of other posters see see things. Just a different perspective than yours.

I was concerned about losing Moncada and sort of a little concerned with losing Kopech but getting Chris Sale was worth it and would have been silly not to make the trade. As for everyone of those other players lost - ho hum. I will admit though that I was fond of Margot and Dubon. I absolutely believe that it is time to look ahead and those who continually keep expressing negative feelings about DD have something else going on. What it is, I don't know. Maybe it is a constant need to feel right when there likely is no right or wrong. It strikes me as strange. The majority of successful people that I know tend to look ahead and not backward. I'm all in on our new GM but he won't get any free pass from most fans regardless of what he was left with. It is about him now and not our former GM. From all reports it looks like the right guy could have been hired. Let's see how he does.

You tickle me. Now - trading away a possible generational talent for next to nothing could hurt this franchise much more than any trades made yesteryear by whoever the GM was.

You speak my language!!!

I hardly doubt that a decision to keep Betts will be dictated by what the fans want or expect. The decision to keep Mookie I think is likely to be made on the fact that shy of Trout he may be the best player in the game for years to come. Signing Mookie long term would be a long way from even resembling a "splashy" move which has been suggested. Giving away a generational talent for next to nothing would be hard to take and I doubt that any amount of spin suggesting that it helps out our farm is going to go over very well.

notin - seriously now this has nothing to do with a discussion about whatever DD did or did not do. We all know how you feel about DD. it is your right to feel that way but it isn't part of this discussion. There must be a thread somewhere that continues to beat up on a past GM don't you think. Personally I'm operating in the here and now. If Mookie is traded and you want to blame it on Dave Dombrowski well that's nice but once again the average fan likely will already have forgotten the past GM's name. He probably does not care about this.

I had a fairly good idea that this might revert back to the pitcher's injuries this year being foreseeable or not. I understand that I tend to look at things differently than you do. It would be nice to think that John Henry took into consideration the potential injury prospects of the players that he agreed to pay for. I get what is being said but I really don't think that it has much to do with whether or not trading Betts for low budget potential makes any sense. If it is all about staying below a certain tax level, ok fine, but I tend to think that the effect it will have on that regular old fan will be painful. In my estimation, it becomes an issue of what we might get in return for trading a player who years from now, many might wish that we had paid for.

Hopefully no one anywhere would disagree with your statement here. Understand also though that I am one of those fans who truly believes that if our pitchers had remained healthy this year we would not be having this discussion. it was a gamble taken that didn't work out. It is possible that a trade involving Mookie might work out as well but I think that if the return brought prospects not major league ready, it could impact the fan base for many years. We are talking Boston here. If trading Mookie brought great results in 3 or 4 years, i just don't think that it would be viewed in the same way that it would be in select small market areas where a team has rarely competed and never won.

Thanks for those kind words.

First pf all, if any fan who follows this team on an everyday basis regardless of where he gets his information is the type of fan that carries great weight. Not every fan is immersed in the game as some of the people who invest so much time here. They work, they have families but still love their team every bit as much as anyone else does. i'm not really sure notin how much of this years team's failures needs to be laid on the shoulders of one of the best in the game. I would love to see him remain in Boston. If he doesn't stay, I hope that he is at least somewhat replaceable. When we start taking about impact players, he has to be at the top of the list. As excited as I was about Nomar, sorry, he was never Betts. Betts is Clemens, Lynn, and Yastezemski like in my book. Franchise changing players. Joe average here - over and out.

I think that we and hopefully others know how important a player like Betts is to any franchise. In losing him, we really don't have much to compare with. He vey well might be that good. I wish that he appeared a little more positive about continuing his red Sox relationship, but who can blame him for attempting to get what he can. Once again, I think that losing this guy without a major effort to keep him, will likely cost the franchise greatly in many ways. Lifelong fans likely will hang around but not everyone is a lifelong fan. I think that trading him for anything on the wrong side of damn good right now, will be very painful. Restocking the farm isn't the end all be all for many people.

I think that all who post here would like to see Bloom succeed. Much of what he does and has done may prove to be just what we need in Boston but the suggestion that basically giving away a player like Mookie Betts for unproven minor leaguers or any young potentially good major leaguers to save money for the franchise wouldn't come with a fan loss, in my opinion is not accurate. Yes long time fans and arm chair GM's who might agree with much of what Bloom advocates will probably hang in there but if the trade did not bring in some exceptional talent right now, a lot of money might appear to be saved for ownership but I think that in the long run it could be quite costly. i might be wrong but I believe that the majority of fans are not data driven 24 hour a day followers of the ups and downs of the franchise. They are simply fans who love their team. In coming to Boston, Bloom is entering the real arena. Trading away a generational talent like Betts may seem like the right thing to do in order to rebuild what many of you think is a stagnant minor league system, but it could come at a great cost. "Joe average" wants to see Mookie Betts stay in Boston. We like our stars.

Even the thought of using Pedroia as a dh is a real joke. When is the last time he got a hit at the big league level? Oh yeah, we could count on that bat - not. As you have already stated, using Martinez for what 50-60 games in the outfield has not hurt this team one bit. We should be happy to have one of the best hitters in the game playing for us.

I was thinking the same thing. it is kind of cool I think. old school all the way.

Exactly what i thought - A west coast thing!

You know that it would be easy for me to say that I lost a great deal of respect for him after he made his statements seen by us all but I'm not really sure that I ever had a great deal of respect for him in the first place. He played hard - He played hurt - he played his ass off - thank you, I appreciated what he did for us greatly but I don't know him. Outside of baseball, since I don't know him, I really haven't fallen in love with the guy. If he is able to come back effectively which I highly don't, He likely would solidify us defensively but I wouldn't expect much at all from him at the plate. He has just been away too long.

You heart breaker. not interested in Dock. Is the 3 headed garden gnome carrying vats of custard a west coast thing or what?

Say it ain't so. How about Dick Groat or maybe I settle for Willie Stargell. Or perhaps you are telling me that I am the Bill Mazeroski fan club.

I may have to reactivate my Bill Mazeroski fan club membership! I was 9 by the way when he did his thing. A pure thing of beauty.