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Oh man - that's it i'll let it go.
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good - it's all good
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Have fun - you won't regret playing. I am up here shoveling snow.
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I'm pretty sure that I will get blasted again for not being able to back up some of the things I post with facts and stats. I have seen too many things happen with respect to athletics in general to make me think that everything is explainable. It isn't. Every now and then someone will do something that the stats say can't be done. Maybe it even happens often. I am absolutely uninterested in a discussion that does not recognize the human element that is involved in just about everything we see and do.
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thanks - he doesn't bother me. This is a little hobby for me right now. He is a no-counter to me. His implication and interpretation of what I said was false. I would never say that you could not be an avid fan if you had not played or coached. That was ridiculous and unfair. I am a great fan of football - coached the game for over 20 years- never played a down. I am not sure that I ever really knew all of the intricacies of the game but I got by.
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The Count has spoken - I am pretty sure your little buddy Renfield will chime in soon. You know nothing about me actually and I certainly don't care to know anything about you. I will not stoop to your level of name calling. Douchey and conceited - that's nice. I have been called a lot of things before but never those two. I didn't really mean to offend but I guess I struck a nerve.
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Monbouquette - I am still quite puzzled as to how this whole sabermetrics issue is still being debated, discussed, and beaten to death. No one on the forum has discounted the value of using all aspects of evaluation. Is it really that much of a big deal to some of you how much value is placed on each particular method of evaluation. Is this being done simply for the sake of arguing? Is there another topic here if you dig a little deeper or what? Seriously - It just makes me wonder if there are people posting here that never really played the game. You can still be an avid fan - that's ok. I think we all get to believe what we want to believe.
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Great articles written about Monboquette. His relationship with Pumpsie Green - Satchelle Paige pitching at the age of 59. Good stuff, good memories. bad teams. I listened to the game that Paige pitched in in 1965. Good story about a good local man. The fact that they were bad teams really didn't make any difference to us. It was baseball.
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Manfred Mann? Are you kidding me? Are people going to let that one go? You talk about a 60's name - there you go.
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Me too - I don't see any debate. We all agree just to different degrees. I think that is not a bad thing. I truly don't try to shove my opinion down anyone's throat certainly not when debating something like this. When I think baseball, I think teaching points. How to do the little things on the field the right way. Details - on the field- they are very special to me. I think that it is quite safe to say though that most people posting here don't care to listen to me talk about what I believe I know about the actual game. I am certainly a traditionalist just like you. If the actual nuances of the game have changed, I guess time just slipped right by me. I would much prefer to discuss whether or not anybody here thinks JBJ will come into this spring with a more compact tighter swing. If he does, he may have a chance and I hope he does.
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It's not a direct quote, but Mr. James himself would tell us that stats tell us who has been good not who will be good. Useful yes and end all of course not. Over and out on this one for me 700. I don't think that I would have anything in common with someone who couldn't see the value of personal evaluation. I am pretty sure that a very good case could be made with respect to overuse of technology in general and what negative effects it has had on society today.
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Almost anyway right. I'm am sure that the use of collected compiled technical data has helped every team in both leagues to a certain extent.
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That does not make me happy. Kind of grew up watching him. Pretty sure that he was battling leukemia - I think that he had been for a while. Sad news.
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Come on Spiball, did you play stratomatic baseball like I did? We used to also play corkball as well.
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I am a believer. Thanks for that post!
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save $ - stay home - play stratomatic baseball
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What do you think Elktonnick - Is there even an argument here? All of us seem to agree that it takes more than one tool to evaluate players. I think that I am on your wavelength here. If anyone today relies solely on just watching and using their instincts to evaluate, I am afraid they would be missing out on some talented players. On the other hand, if technological statistics were they only source of evaluation, I would not be a fan of the game. I'll admit it, i am a traditionalist. That to me is what baseball is all about - it never bores me.
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Absolutely!!! To many coaches, those intangible things are as important as any stat you will ever see. Once again- I am sure everyone agrees that there is room for both. Too much of a reliance on either would not tell a very complete picture.
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Your posts entertain me. They are great.
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My guess = both. There are a lot of people relying solely on stats who have never played, coached, been on a field, or even worked with a team. I would not trust their opinions as evaluators. I also think that before long term contracts are offered, Knowing what goes on inside a person is extremely important. There might be a lot there worth knowing that the stats don't tell. Actually I am sure that there would be a great deal worth knowing that the stats don't tell. I would hate to have to pick just one evaluation tool to use.
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should have added Pal, Spitball, ortiz, spud , all good reads
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I would never question that you enjoy all aspects of the game. I hope that from my posts, you did not get that impression . I am fairly familiar with Bill James and his study of sabermetrics. I certainly don't think that it is an either or situation. I think that a fairer question might be who has the better assessment - the person who relies solely on statistical analysis or the person who has been on the field and has lived the game. I don't think that there is right answer to that question. The best baseball people i know, believe in both used together. On this board, the people whose opinions I value the most such as yours, 700"s, Freds and numerous others certainly see the value in both.
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Is the actual rotation the worst in the last 10 Y?
cp176 replied to iortiz's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
thanks Fred- I think thanks (I don't want you hunting me down). I love statistics but I will never accept that they tell the whole story. You have been in the arena and fought the fight yourself - you know what I mean. I say use all the available tools I am truly not sure that I would love this great game if every decision I have made was dictated by what the statistics said to do. A player like Pedroia has fought what the stats have said about him for his entire career. -
I think that Bill James has done a great job and provided many useful tools for evaluators to use to help them make appropriate decisions. His work is filled with quality and provides much solid information. Used in combination with all of the other aspects of evaluating the game some of which are intangible you might develop a picture of success. I'm glad that he has done some helpful work for the Sox but personally if I spent too much time studying what he has written I might not enjoy the game as much as I do. I love the sounds, smells, the feel of the game that you don't get from his statistics. For some , who really know nothing about the actual game and the way it is played his work provides an avenue for them to get involved and be educated. That's a good thing. You have a point- so does 700 - equally important to me.
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Is the actual rotation the worst in the last 10 Y?
cp176 replied to iortiz's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Ok - I think that makes sense to me. I interpret what you are saying to mean that against teams you are clearly better than, you will win more games - make sense. You will tend to have closer games with teams of more equal ability. If you win more than half of the games played against equally talented opponents you've done well.