Me too - I don't see any debate. We all agree just to different degrees. I think that is not a bad thing. I truly don't try to shove my opinion down anyone's throat certainly not when debating something like this. When I think baseball, I think teaching points. How to do the little things on the field the right way. Details - on the field- they are very special to me. I think that it is quite safe to say though that most people posting here don't care to listen to me talk about what I believe I know about the actual game. I am certainly a traditionalist just like you. If the actual nuances of the game have changed, I guess time just slipped right by me. I would much prefer to discuss whether or not anybody here thinks JBJ will come into this spring with a more compact tighter swing. If he does, he may have a chance and I hope he does.