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I'm in need of entertainment iortiz. Trying to stir the pot a little.
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I think that Bogaerts will be fine. I also think that when that hard throwing youngster becomes available it won't matter one bit whether most of the balls hit off him are in the air or on the ground, (it's more likely that many of them will not be hit at all) they will pay whatever they need to get him. Whoever he is, he will be worth it. My question is --- who might it be. Doesn't look to me as though this franchise is going to cut corners when it comes to getting who they want.
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One more time - we should all say this together as we pledge our allegiance to our most sweat stained Red Sox cap - If they want them badly enough, they will get them. Look what they have done! $ be damned. Somewhere like it or not Big George is actually smiling down (or up) on us and saying - It's about freaking time. Maybe not freaking.
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ty I think - whatever that means - I just wanted to get something going.
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I'm thinking you are right. Henry told him how far they would go and that was that.
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Oh no we don't disagree - The Red Sox would have loved to have Lester back on their terms. That is the key. I truly think that they easily could have outbid the Cubs if they had wanted to. I still think that if the pitcher becomes available that they want, they will get him.
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If Craig has a good spring and hits the way that he has in the past - no trade means that Nava is the one in trouble. Sorry
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Oh come on Kimmi - What's up with that meat of the order stuff. Like everyone else, I would have liked to have seen Lester come back. There is no denying the fact that he was made a significant offer as well. He indeed would look great in that rotation right now. There were too many things that happened last year for me to totally buy into the theory that they wanted him back badly. I would even go out on a limb and say they were pretty sure that their offer to him was going to get trumped. I don't see long term deals(5,6 years) being offered to many players by the Sox unless they in their mid 20's. I know that I may be giving them more credit than they deserve for sticking to a plan that gets more evident each day but just my opinion. I would be very surprised if either Victorino or Napoli are around next year. Napoli maybe as a potential dh.
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I'll try this another way. How about the size of contracts being paid.. Couple of things here - there are some on board who think that the Red Sox might be restricted by some sort of budget considerations. I am not. Well, maybe I am - I think that they are willing to pay whatever they have to to get the players(s) they want. They won't over spend unless they are sure. How about a 165 million dollar committment to two players who have virtually no experience at the major league level. Is that over spending? Read an interesting article this morning that I agree with. Castillo should not be handed a position unless he earns it. If Victorino gets traded, the story changes. If not, let the games begin. I have said this before - I don't think they really wanted John Lester back as much as some people say they did. They did not get outplayed. they just did not value him as much as the Cubs did. I think that they have had another plan all along. It is one that I like.
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I am starting to feel good about what we are seeing. It's not a complete picture just yet, but I wouldn't want to be associated with any other team in either league right now.
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Sooner or later they will get the pitcher that they want. I think that they are still looking and when that young man becomes available, I think that he will be in a Red Sox uniform. I think that they are happy with what they have done this off season and they should be. Could be Cueto and it might be somebody else. I don't think that there is a time table. They know perfectly well what they have in their group of starters and when that special pitcher is available I think that they will be all in. I would have liked to have seen Lester in Boston but I'm just guessing but I think that their thinking is that they can do better. They are in the middle of building a team that could contend for a long time. Watching them come in to camp is impressive. They look so much bigger and stronger as a team. I think that eventually we are looking at something very special.
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The donger likes those dingers - Is that 16 candles or what.
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Probably not what you are thinking of, but when it comes to this year's lineup I think that it will. I'm not sure that bigness necessarily translates into more power leading to more scoring but I do think that any pitcher will at least have to consider the fact that thy will pitching to a lineup that looks big and strong. It has been awhile - Ramirez - Sandoval - Ortiz - Napoli and others. Still have our share of good contact hitters and potential base stealers but Earl Weaver's theory about the sacrifice bunt vs the 3 run homer is sure to come into play this year. Going to be fun to watch.
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As much as I get frustrated with them on occasion, I feel so fortunate right now that the Red Sox have been in my blood for the past 60 years. One of the best farm systems in the game - owners willing to spend(regardless whether or not we like what they spend for) and a management team that has a plan that is starting to take shape. Also - i think that it is a plan that we all will enjoy. the future success of this franchise looks to me as though it might take me right to the finish line.
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Length of contract and age at signing for sure.
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I really am not looking for the last word here but I truly do believe that they will attempt to outbid any team in the hunt for the player they really want. The key would be how badly they want that player. I think the key for me is the amount they have been willing to spend on players that have literally no experience with any major league franchise. We all hope that becomes money well spent.
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Agree totally.
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Kimmi - I can't even follow this thread anymore. I will say again though that the amount of money any of these big players throw at prospects or veterans is insane. The level of the insanity is debatable i guess. Once again, i do not think that money will serve as a deterring factor at all for the Red Sox. Giving up prospects will. People seem to think that the sox blew it with Lester. Maybe they did from our perspective, I think they absolutely know what they are doing. I really do not think that they have seen the pitcher they want badly enough to give up prospects and dollars for just yet. i don't think that value on the dollar means much to them right now. They someone they want they get them. It is as simple as that. As for Moncada - if he makes it, i see him !. 3rd 2. 1st 3. outfielder 4. 2nd base
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That's kind of what I mean. They could have him if they want him.
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me too - taken me a while to get to this point though. I want them to stay young. It would be a different story if we were talking about someone between 25 and 29 with a talent of course.
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I don't think that they can do better than a healthy Victorino in right field.
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I absolutely agree with you with respect to the length of contract being a primary factor during Red Sox negotiations. I guess I just haven't seen monetary restraint being much of a factor when they truly have a player that they want to sign. Age is also a major consideration for them at present and thankfully so. I am not even close to understanding what an insane amount of money to spend for some of the more wealthy teams might be. i only hope that the old adage that you get what you pay for works for our team.
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That is of course very true. Discussing this is just projecting the future anyway but it does look to me as though the Red Sox tend to see players moving from the infield to the outfield as an easier move than the other way around. Makes sense. Betts was moved because of Pedroia which of course also made sense from a team as well as an individual standpoint. I have said it before here that if Pedroia was to get hurt again (hopefully doesn't) my opinion (just mine) is that defensively they would be a stronger team if Betts was moved back to one of his two original positions.
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Betts obviously has already found another position. Moncada has been projected to play all positions other than pitching and catching. I don't think that his arm will be the issue. If they are even on the same field together, those who have to make those decisions will put them where they want them I guess. I'm certainly ok with whatever they do but Betts has proven his ability to play second base very well.
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I really don't think the monetary aspects of any potential deal factor much into the current Red Sox thinking. They are going to get who ever they want if money is the only deciding factor. I just don't see them going after any over 30 pitcher for more than just one season. Doesn't seem to fit their current trend of getting younger. A possible trade involving Victorino for Lee might make some sense for this year. It would open up some of the position player glut and bolster their starting pitching at least for a season. Unless they can get the steal (I meant to say deal) that they want, I think that they are more likely to wait until the player that they really want is available.