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You are absolutely right here. It is the same in every game. A player can look very, very good statistically and not be able to do the job in the clutch. Serves as great separator - the good from the very good and the very good from the truly great ones.
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Kimmi - Give me some credit here. I always bring up the significance of using available data on this site. It is simple suicide not to. Just trying once again with I small touch of futility to point out that there are other issues in play. It isn't just an either or situation. I am sure that the Yankees based their decision on very good data but the story could have gone the other way just as easily. You get to call it what you like. An educated hunch maybe a data backed hope possibly even a little luck. I think they made a very good decision. I give the analytic guys all kinds of credit just not all of it. If it was that easy, no mistakes would ever be made.
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Note - I did not condescend- I did not suggest that anything you have said is ridiculous - nor did I imply that maybe you were not intelligent enough to understand what was being discussed. You can even have the last word.
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Oh I think that I understand the conversation just fine. I will let it drop. I certainly don't want to argue with you over anything. The use of data or whatever you would like to refer to it as is there for all and should be considered. It certainly doesn't tell the whole story. The Yankees used the data and got lucky. They didn't simply get lucky but I don't think that it would have been a big surprise to anyone if that scenario had not worked out the way that it did.
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Just trying to clarify - Swisher looked done but the Yankees felt it was due to bad luck, so they used available data that indicated that he might not be done. Is that what prompted them to sign him?
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He sure did. I wish that he had been a member of the Red Sox at that time. Did the Yankees roll the dice on him in hopes that he would produce again?
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I agree with you here. Napoli wasn't signed to play small ball. He's not that kind of hitter. If he is healthy, he could have a very productive season. With more power bats in the lineup, pitchers shouldn't have the comfort of being too careful with him when he comes to the plate.
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Don't get defensive on me. I am just trying to understand your post. Are you saying that the metrics were trending down on Swisher and that the Yankees felt that it was simply a case of bad luck that had caused the slide. Did they kind of bet against the metric here based on something they felt that they saw or knew that no one else did?
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ty for your previous comments . You are right - in a clear majority of the time, playing for run is not the way to go. Who does that? It worked for the 1959 White Sox - I don't know about anyone since. Once again, I like Napoli. He wasn't signed to help anybody play small ball. the fact remains though, at this level when the situation dictates, once again a clear majority of players should be able to move runners along. I understand that all need to play to their strengths, but most major leaguers at one time or another could drop down a bunt when needed or hit behind a runner to advance them. It's a strategy that still has its place in the game.
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I love to study the game but it has to be fun for me. I pay my accountant to do my taxes as well. I would never have wanted his job and I'm sure he would not have wanted mine. I really am glad that there are those who love the stat work and put so much faith in them. I truly do not know nor do I care what most of the acronyms thrown around even mean. I know one thing 700, I was finally having a decent round of golf down here and got rained out after 13 holes. Where is that Florida sunshine? Better here than up north though.
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Oh - also, if stats should trump my opinions, I am ok with that as well.
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For the record, I am a Napoli fan. I already had the part about the power hitters striking out a lot figured out.. Thankfully there is a need for both. Not everyone was made to swing for the fences. I like the statistics and can see the value in them. I am not in love with them. I'm not a casual fan but I have little interest in a total immersion of statistical data. I know that you can live with that. Even though I might be uninformed, you never know when I might come up with something worthwhile. Most of what I say or predict might be refutable or even proveable by using statistics. I think that you can have an opinion and talk intelligently about the game without being in one camp or the other.
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That is very true. Personal preference as opposed to defendable data I guess. I like the big armed power pitcher with the low ERA and the high strikeout ratio. Without too much study, I hope that others do as well. With respect to hitting, I lean toward the contact side of things but in reality like a blend of both. My positions are opinions not defendable by anything other than what I like. Adam Dunn would never get a HOF vote from me although I will admit that there was a time where I thought he might look good in a Sox uniform.
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Your English is fine. Based on some of the comeback comments you field, I think that that everyone understands you perfectly.
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ok - good - glad someone is doing all that factoring other than me.
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So if we follow this obvious line of reasoning that a strikeout and an out caused by a batted ball amount to the same thing basically does this make a true power pitcher less significant? No more K-cards get held up. Strikeouts to innings pitched statistic is less important. Suffer my ignorance please - this is not a subject I think deeply about. But I also pay to have my taxes done as well.
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Come on Ogden, i know that you have heard that one before. It was a phrase used with Kingdom. Throughout his career, I think that it was fairly accurate.
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Sad about Piersall - remember him going up the screen behind home plate. Also remember him going around the bases backwards after a home run with the Mets. Might have been his last one.
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Really - Ah - have you followed many of these threads? Maturity? Only in rare occasions is it not balls to the wall I'm afraid.
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Oh God - believe me I understand that. I will always be a hit to contact kind of guy but I really do see the value in those big hitters. Kingman for awhile was just one of those guys who was fun to talk about. I am one who still does not like to see the football in the air. 2 out of 3 things that can happen are bad. That, I am sure would be a minority opinion as well.
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I didn't realize it was a debate. I would not have gotten involved in this one. I just have to pay more attention obviously.
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I choose to take the path less travelled here - the second baseman might even boot the ball. I speak from experience.
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It's back to the past - Dave Kingman - a clout or an out. I still like to see the ball in play. Lots of things can go right from a hitter - baserunner perspective when contact is made.
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Look what I started - It has to be the slow season. I am sure that Henry lets out long leashes but ultimately his vote carries more weight than all the others combined.