Bellhorn04
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Right, but my devious mind automatically goes to: "What if the Red Sox decide to be jerks about it and say they want more than that?" Is there a mechanism in place to prevent this?
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And how the heck does that work, I mean, what or who determines if what the Phillies offer in trade is acceptable and the trade has to go through? This is an education in some arcane rules, if nothing else...
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There are plenty of meaningless innings required to be pitched too... With Philly's offense, they'll be sure to have some blowouts.
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King Felix!
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Right, I'm sure they wouldn't be asking for much...
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I will make one prediction: if Song can get his fastball over 90 between now and April, Dave Dombrowski will do everything in his power to keep him.
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That's for notin.
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I would have said yes to Song over Ort, I assure you, and I'm pretty sure a poll question here on that would have gone in Song's favor.
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So that would make his first day on the active list in mid-April. Which doesn't mean he'd be appearing in any games right away.
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I really have no idea how you can state this so confidently about such an unprecedented situation.
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There was a piece in The Athletic suggesting that the Phils might be able to put Song on the IL at the start of the season if it's determined he's not in MLB shape yet...
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Did nobody even think it was a possibility, moon? If that's the case, well, they were kind of wrong, wouldn't you say?
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Manny Machado isn't going anywhere...thanks to a new $350 million extension.
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I guess so.
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That's pure assumption on your part. I believe that Song has petitioned the navy to be allowed to play several times. It's not really a shock that they would eventually relent and give him permission.
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Let me try to answer this from my own personal experience. I did not know that Song and Ward were being left unprotected in the Rule 5 draft until after the draft took place - until notin's post that I've quoted. That's the simple truth. The next question seems to be: should I have known? All I can say to that is, nobody here told me. As far as I can tell, there was not one single mention on this forum of the draft and who we were and weren't protecting. There was no separate thread on it. mvp didn't start the '2023 Prospects' thread until after the draft. And I've just combed through the 'Realistic Look at 2023 Part 1' thread for a couple of weeks before the draft, and I can find absolute zero about it. All we were talking about was free agent signings. Therefore, since I didn't say anything until I knew about it, I vehemently deny that it's a hindsight call. It's no more of a hindsight call than when you said the Bradley trade was a head-scratcher after it was announced.
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But this is not hindsight blaming. It's the opposite. As soon as the Rule 5 draft was over on December 7, notin said it was a poor job by Bloom losing Ward, Politi and Song. I said it was very surprising losing Ward and Song. 5 Gloves said are you effing kidding me, we lost 3 young pitchers?
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The essential fact of the matter is that Bloom chose to protect 2 over-30, mediocre at best, eminently fungible relievers in Ort and Brasier, over 2 mid-twenties pitchers with some potential. For a team that's obviously setting its sights beyond 2023.
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So you're saying hindsight calls are the only calls that count?
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Here's the string of posts from the aforementioned page 288: Post #4306 notin: Poor job by Bloom and the Sox in the Rule 5 Draft. Didn’t select anyone and lost Ward, Politi, and Song. I do suspect the Phillies to work out a deal for Song. But Ward and Politi are likely just gone… Post #4307 bellhorn04: Ward and Song are two pitchers that have been talked about quite a bit here. Very surprising to lose both. Post #4308 a700hitter (replying to post #4306 notin): But we love his approach and philosophy. Post #4309 5GoldGloves: OF, 75: Let me get this straight: in the Major League Phase of the Rule 5 Draft, of the 15 players picked -- three were pitchers from Boston... the team that finished in last place because of crappy starting pitchers and relievers? Post #4310 moonslav (replying to post #4309 5GoldGloves: OF, 75): Our farm was better and deeper than we thought. Hope we don't get burned.
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You're kind of missing the point. What I'm suggesting is that most fans were in the dark about it, but had they known, they wouldn't have liked it.
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I'll also say this: I think if we had a poll before the Rule 5 draft on who we should protect, with a list of 10 names or whatever, Song and Ward would have gotten more votes than Ort and Brasier.
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moon, only a true baseball nerd could be expected to know exactly what was going with Noah Song and the Rule 5 draft. The average fan can't be blamed for not being all over it. It wasn't until the media started cluing us all in that Song was going to be pitching for the Phillies this year that most Sox fans took notice - I guarantee it.
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Song was mentioned too, by notin, by me, by 5Gloves.
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Why, was there a lot of discussion about it here before the fact?
