Bellhorn04
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the whole purpose of stats like WAR is to eliminate all the luck and randomness stuff you're trying to apply here. "All else being equal", Sale's 2 WAR performance would obviously have made us a better team to this point. Whether it would have added exactly 2 wins we don't know. Might have been 3, might have been 1, because of the randomness of the game.
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The thing about Grissom is, he's a PROSPECT. Sure he has great-looking minor league numbers. So does Dalbec. Grissom's 80 MLB PA's in 2023 were nothing special. 280/313/347 In neither 2023 or 2024 has he hit any home runs, and he has taken very few walks. We got ourselves another prospect and no more.
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So you're going with a randomness argument. That's like going through all Devers's home runs and picking which ones contributed to actual wins and saying they're the only ones that were productive at-bats.
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OK. It's just that we're kind of through the looking glass now when it comes to pitching injuries. They pretty much all get injured now at some point.
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You said: "The Sale trade hasn't hurt us." Sale has about a 2 WAR and Grissom is in negative territory. Plain and simple, yes, it has hurt us.
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There was a very mixed initial response to this trade, from what I observed. A lot of people liked it because Grissom seemed like a really good get and of course many wrote Sale off. But some questioned what the hell we were doing moving Sale when everyone agreed the team's biggest need was starting pitching. At the time, no one but no one expected Houck and Crawford to be as good as they have been so far.
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Yeah, who needs a pitcher with a 1.9 fWAR on May 20. That'd just be a luxury.
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So what, though? Pitching is a high risk profession, period. Would Sale have had a better career with different mechanics? Can anyone honestly say?
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Yes, our run production has been erratic to say the least.
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Yeah, the critics in the armchairs always know what's what. What if there was no other way for Sale to pitch and be successful? Plus even with all the injuries, he's 9th among active pitchers in career innings.
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Why wouldn't they try to fleece us as much as possible?
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Any inclination he'd be healthy? He was healthy at the end of 2023 and he's obviously very healthy now. Obviously no one knows if he'll stay that way for the next 5 months.
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Maybe the team that traded for him?
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You said: now it's like he was never a question mark and a negative impact on 4-5 season teams in a row. That's making stuff up.
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What about his OPSa, though?
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No. No one is trying to re-write his injury history or saying it didn't hurt us. You're just making that up, frankly.
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For notin, that is.
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Last 6 games: 39 innings 50 K's 3 BB's
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Yeah, most sports fans are pretty predictable. They like performance and they hate injuries. The Sox did not have very compelling reasons to make this trade, is the real point, IMHO. They had so little to lose by keeping Sale.
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Why was he overrated as a reliever, exactly?
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We should probably stop gushing over Houck and Crawford's "mini-sample sizes" too, I guess.
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Most of us were all in on signing 2 free agent starters, IIRC. The names were different because there were a lot available. I liked Gray and Montgomery. I wouldn't have minded Lugo. I was all for Imanaga. I wasn't being super picky.
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I was always hoping for the best with Sale, including going into this year, before we traded him. I thought maybe we finally had a chance to reap some benefit from the extension and that we could exercise the option for 2025. But the Braves were there to pounce on our small market ways.
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Exactly.
