Bellhorn04
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Don't forget that back then we didn't know Giolito was going to be the sole replacement for Sale. If we all knew that at the time, I think the consensus of opinions at the time would have been hugely negative.
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And tonight we'll be facing Eflin, who the O's picked up at the deadline and who is 3-0 with a 2.33 ERA for them.
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"Should have known" is a Wicker Man size straw man.
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That's beside the point of whether this particular trade made sense.
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The crucial point is that in the 9-4 game, Jansen was brought in in the 8th, when the score was 6-4. I expect Cora's thinking was that since he wouldn't be using Jansen the next game he might as well let him finish off the game in the 9th.
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Nope.
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I thought your "Betts lite" post was the best.
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Cora being careful because Martin just came off the IL after being out over a month with right elbow inflammation.
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I'm just using this thread to cope with my regret. Would have been a great story for us this year.
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What I'd say is that they traded him at the point when there was no longer much point in doing it.
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It's actually $17M they're paying.
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Quoting moon: There were "signs" he was doing well in '21 just like in '23. The only reason it's a big deal is that Sale finally did not get hurt, after 5 years, and somehow we should have known that was going to happen, based on how he looked for a stretch in 2023. "Somehow we should have known" is a totally unfair way to put it. It would be ridiculous for anyone to say the Sox should have known Sale would have a season like this. I really don't think anyone has said any such thing. The issue is with the possibility he could have a good season.
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We'll never know exactly what the thought process was behind trading Sale. The injury risk part is obvious, there's really no need to keep re-stating it. Other possibilities: 1) The payroll budget was so tight that the $10 million recovery was a huge deal. 2) They wanted to keep all the lanes open for potential starters, including Whitlock and Winckowski. 3) They were genuinely concerned Sale would not get along with Bailey and the new program and it would create issues.
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Having major technical issues right now. Breaking a rib is very concerning, yes. I'm no rib expert but I suspect that would be a stress fracture, not something that happened on one pitch. Ribs are funny things. Just ask Casas.
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False signs of what though? You mean false signs that he was back to being healthy and would stay that way? After his TJ surgery he had a couple of fluke injuries and one concerning one, to his shoulder I believe. No one could possibly predict the fluke injuries. They were totally random s***. I'm not really sure what your point about 2021 is.
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That's totally irrelevant to the issue that matters, IMO, which is whether they should have traded him before 2024, given the circumstances that existed and the return they got.
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Sox fans are conditioned to heap extra abuse on Yankee players, no doubt about that. And of course Yankee fans do the same.
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There's just no valid comparison between Sale and Perez. Sale has been one of the most talented pitchers in the game for a long time. Perez had one nice run of 1.5 years or whatever it was.
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His absences in the 2019-2023 years were clearly a problem. As for 2024, he was potentially either one. Cutting him loose didn't do anything to resolve the problem, did it? And with the wisdom of hindsight, keeping him would have alleviated the problem for this year at least.
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Terrible but funny.
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Yes I know. I'm just an inherently philosophical type who is fascinated by the quirks of human behavior and sees underlying connections between a lot of things. The connection I see here is "not caring if anyone is offended by what you say or not". To me that applies to Duran's "f*** 'Em" shirt too. I'm most certainly not saying it's as bad as using a homophobic slur in public.
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Hugh gave a pretty extensive statement back in post #90, Den, no?
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I know, the structure of the contract kind of sucked in itself.
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Sure, if Texas kicks in half it would be worth considering. Not that the Sox would. They are rather risk averse these days.
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To me the bottom line is that they shouldn't have traded from the area they were most needy in. Not unless they had a firm plan to make a couple of big additions, which they obviously didn't.
