Bellhorn04
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I think most would agree that if the Sox have a chance to win it all without Betts and Price, they have a better chance to win it all with Betts and Price.
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Trading Betts to the Dodgers, IMO, brings in the risk that they will sign him to an extension. The Dodgers are just the team that could pull that off.
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But that's not how it works.
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Take a look at the sweepstakes for Cole. The Yanks got him because they were willing to go to an insane length of 9 years @ 36. The Dodgers reportedly were willing to go 8 @ 36 but then backed out. The Yanks were the team in the much worse tax position for this year. The Dodgers are well under 208. The Yanks are well over 208 and are in the Year Two tax rates.
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I think what determines how far the Red Sox will go in their offer to Betts is this question: 'How much is too much of an overpay?'
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But it doesn't. It's a relative drop in the bucket.
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And my position is I don't think trading him really gives that big a boost to our chances of re-signing him.
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That seems to be the size of it. It's gentlemen place your bets (please overlook the pun) time. My bet is they don't trade Betts. I fully accept I could be wrong, but if I had to lay money on it that's where it would go.
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Sure, anything can happen. Sale and Eovaldi might not miss a start between them...
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If they can re-set this year without trading Betts I'm fine with it. I'm just opposed to trading him.
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I think that's overstating it.
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If JD opts out at the end of 2020 it'll be 5 guys.
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They can afford to keep Betts in spite of Price and Eovaldi. At the end of the 2020 season when Mookie's contract expires, the contracts of Price and Eovaldi will have 2 more years to run at $49 million per year. That's an obstacle, but not a big one.
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There's really nothing much forcing them to deal Betts or to re-set this year.
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You're assuming that if they re-set in 2020 they'll get right back to heavy spending in 2021?
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But my whole argument is about re-setting in 2021. No Price, no JDM, no JBJ.
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Ideally, yes. Maybe a bit less.
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I meant trading him before this season starts.
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Mookie's projected 2020 salary is 27.5 mill. If he signs the same deal as Trout his 2021 AAV would be 35.5 mill, so an increment of 8 mill.
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Not necessarily, if they trade Price.
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I'm not saying that a re-set in 2020 wouldn't be beneficial. Obviously it would. But I think the benefits are being exaggerated a bit. If we end up 20 million over the 208 for 2020, we pay 10 million tax. That's actually less tax than in 2018 or 2019. And JDM and JBJ would likely both be gone after 2020, so that's 33 million or so gone for 2021 right there.
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The other benefit of re-setting which Speier explained in his analysis (the one about the $100 million savings) has to do with a revenue-sharing penalty that is separate from the luxury tax itself.
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No.
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But we do have to put a lot on those injury-riddled 38 games. He had a mysterious injury, his defense had deteriorated shockingly, and to top it off he seemed to have a malcontent attitude.
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Here's what 5GoldGloves said. The scenario starts with Mookie agreeing to an extension. But what if the Sox make an offer that Betts agrees to? It would still be contingent upon the reset, which would likely mean moving a high-priced pitcher and JBJ. Then they'd have to replace at least a starter and an outfielder -- hopefully with young controllables that could help restock depth and sustain contention. At that point, it may be practical instead to deal the one Red Sox with the most trade value: Devers. I hope not, because the kid looks like he could develop into a lefty combo of Cabrera/Beltre...
