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Wait, so how serious are these rumors?

However, ugats was added to the bullpen last year. If we get ugats in the bullpen, that'd be a huge problem.

Okajima was non-tendered. I hope Papelbon is next.

First of all, my initial argument was that the FO got lucky with Beltre and Ortiz, because the odds of them both becoming MVP contenders was slim to none considering injury history, Beltre's mediocre 2005-2010 and several other factors. I simply felt like the risks of Ortiz were adequate enough that I didn't have to go over them. Secondly, I'm glad you finally brought some stats to the table. His XBH versus specific stadiums is definitely an interesting thing to note, and a very good point to bring to the discussion. But as you keep saying, its hard to judge based on small samples, especially when there are so many stadiums he only played 2-5 games in, and the pitching is very relevant to that as well. As you can tell, there are far too many outliers. Park factors do affect hitting, and I'm clearly not denying that, but as we can see from his stats at Yankee Stadium, it can just as easily balance out. That's why I brought up the point of OPS versus specific divisions, especially since that point is at the very core of this discussion. Nothing you can say will change the fact that he simply hit better outside of the AL East, because he did.

Rumor has it that Werth is waiting for Crawford, and Crawford is waiting for Lee.

Excuse me? You didn't provide one single bit of statistical evidence whatsoever. You keep making claims that you aren't backing up. .872 is how he hit in the AL East. Do you have any idea where the big boost in his OPS came from? The AL West! Over 19 games in AL West stadiums he hit 1.077. It is as if you made your claim that he'd do well at the beginning of the year, and now that he did well, you completely forgot about actually looking at the stats and seeing if you were right, and just made the assumption that you were. As far as why he hit so much better this year? I have no clue. But I'm assuming its the same reason why he hit .714 in 2003, and 1.017 in 2004, both in LA. That sort of improvement isn't natural. Park factors do affect how players hit, but it also affects how players pitch, and how managers build their teams. But a 20% boost in production? No dice.

Wait wait wait... the White Sox got Dunn? That definitely does make the Konerko situation interesting. From a quick glance, it looks like they'll have about 20 million-ish left over to replace two or three bullpen arms, their starting catcher, and their bench. Is Konerko even in their plans at this point, considering what he'd cost?

Yes, yes they are. Just because you were too stubborn to give in, doesn't mean you didn't lose the Beltre argument. Park factors affected his performance, but not to the severe extent you claim it did. Beltre simply hits better away from home, and every stat showed that.

I still have a headache from the last time this argument was going on. But in summary, park factors are severely overrated, and making comparisons between players by position is heavily overlooked.

how about a 1/20 deal where Beltre tries to increase his value by showing the major leagues that he can do it more than once every six years? He makes more money now, the Sox aren't locked up long term, and next year if he actually performs to that level again, teams will give him a much bigger contract without the inconsistency doubts.

Jayson Werth .296 average 27 HR .388 OBP .921 OPS Age 31, looking for a 4-5 year contract. Adrian Gonzalez .298 average 31 HR .393 OBP .904 OPS Will be age 29 when looking for a 7-8 year contract. Werth is #1 in OPS for a RF--by far--this year. Gonzalez is #6 in OPS for a 1B this year. Hmm....

Hmm... certain posters have been frantic about the description of the FO as "calm" in such a low time for the team. But now they are "calm" AND "serious". People who are calm and serious get s*** done.

You sir, are one bored Red Sox fan.

Everybody's been hurting. It took me five months to get a mediocre job with a degree from a top school in a strong field that cost more than some houses. There is just a point where you have to settle, no matter how bad it is. At 31 you have most of your life ahead of you.

Every time I finish a task at work, I take a glance. So either I'm really productive, or I take long glances:lol:

Reyes is good, but if it means Lowrie is at 3rd, it ends up being a bit of an offensive wash. I think the Sox aren't likely to trade for him.

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I've always found that any reference to any minority generally will be viewed as a racial slur given time. Currently "black" seems acceptable, but I'm skeptical how long it will last. The trick is to call them by a randomly thought of caucasian race, like Swiss, or Russian, and let them correct you. Then, repeat their terminology.

Considering his stats were pretty much identical two years ago when he was 29, I don't see any reason for him to make 3x as much now when he is 31-- especially since he had settled with a mediocre team. But then again, I'd have no problem seeing the Sox pay 2x considering his track record. EDIT: In case this wasn't clear, I'm talking about Adam Dunn, not Jeter.

Considering we've been debating who will be on the team in the hot stove pretty indepth, I don't see how a simple contest based on our predictions is ridiculous at all.

Could you edit this and add a poll? I think Werth has the better value, and his handedness definitely helps. Plus, Kalish/Ellsbury give the outfield more than enough speed in years to come

It definitely would be a good sign to see them sign some fill-ins(ones that will actually make the major league roster even) like their 6th inning pitcher, for example.

A .600 hitter middle infielder isn't going to help us that much. So far, Vmart is really the only top player to sign, so we can still be patient... for now.