1) Not over 183 IP.
2) League average ERA =/= good ERA.
3) Then we've going around in circles, because my point isn't either of them being "reliable" but who's the better bet to not completely implode next year. That's what i meant by more of a "sure" thing, we're talking about four and five starters, not rotation headliners.
4) Again, you refer to quality, if you look at the discussion in the first place, you're talking about "quality" i'm talking about "serviceable". I've been telling you since the beginning you took the discussion out of context.