Paradisecity

OK. There aren't many current sox on the list. There aren't many current yankees either. We all know that this list is the tip of the iceberg. If They found everybody there would be lots more YANKS AND SOX on this list. It wasn't biased- it was partial information. They had one source who gave them tons of information. Far from a comprehensive report- and I'm not saying they didnt try, they just could only get a few people on record and the rest of the people wouldnt talk. Not their fault, but definitely notable when discussing the successes and failures, stregths and shortcomings of this report. Beyond the names, the report talks of an internal-affairs like unit in baseball. Whether Mitchell's ideas are used or not remains to be seen. I would say that his future recommendations are much more important than the names on the list. The names just bring it enough attention for people to care enough for the recommendations to occur.

The part on Eric Gagne is sweet. It makes Epstein look good and makes Gagne look like s***...

NOT MIKE LANSING!!! NOOOOOOOOO!!!!

JHB-....since the Bonds saga has been probably the most publicized event in sports over the past few years, and also one of the most publicized courtroom events...doesn't indicting him for perjury have GREAT value to our nation (unlike the initial hearing which was a waste of taxpayer dollars, IMHO), with that value being- "Tell the truth, and don't ever lie on the stand" ?????

scapegoat - noun a person or group made to bear the blame for others or to suffer in their place Is that what Barry Bonds is doing? Bearing the blame for others? Suffering in their place?

I'm sure thats what Ortiz's trainer in the Dominican told him about his shakes too!

For all of the Jeter slobberers in the world I'd like to see it, just as i love seeing Brett Farve fall on his ass, but in all honesty its just because people stroke them both so much. I think they both play the right way on and off the field for the most part, and i think it'd be bad for baseball if Jeter is on the list. I wish he'd be on it so all the Jeter slobberers would jshut the f*** up, but I hope he's not for his sake and the sake of the game.

He should wear a cap with a $ sign instead of a B or the NY....

I also think (and thought) that part of the reason Tejada moved so quickly after two years of speculation was that the O's knew what was going to happen to his trade value once this report came out.

They will be guilty in the court of public opinion. I wouldn't call Barry Bonds a scapegoat. Most of the people i talk to (and my sentiment) say that they hate him because he's a jerk. And he isn't indicted for using. You don't lie under oath to a federal grand jury. Giambi didn't, and the backlash he felt, while it may have seemed awful at the time, is dwarfed in comparison to what Bonds is getting for lying under oath and getting caught.

I don't give a f*** that Tek is on the list, das. He isn't a loudmouth like Clemens, Schill, Raf...not to mention we aren't talking about a guy with great production. Steroids weren't managing our pitchers or calling the game, and thats what makes Tek good. (and i dont care much about steroids anyway so long as 16 year old kids aren't on them, which is the by-product of the mlb guys using). It does suck, however, that a supposed "class" guy like tek is on the list. as a sox fan I hope the outwardly positive role models aren't outed while the douchebags of the world like Kenny Rogers, Roger Clemens, Milton Bradley...etc are. After all, what kid wants to be Milton Bradley when he grows up? Maybe tek will sign for an extra year dirt cheap now. We have no good catchers in our farm system.

I didn't know that outing steroid users had to be collectively bargained. Personally, i don't give a flyg f*** if these guys used. thats their problem. Further, I think this report sucks because its a matter of luck and covering ones ass as to who is outed. We all know its only a larger tip to this iceberg. As far as Mitchell is concerned...yes, an outside source would have been best. Since they didn't go outside the game- who should they go to? Personally if I were concerned about the accuracy, scope, and validity of a major report I'd assing the task to a former sox or yanks employee before I gave it to a former employee of the Kansas City Royals...

Well, if Lowell WAS on that list at least my mom would shut up about how cute he is. My guess is that Lowell isnt on the list, if anything because he'd probably know where to find what he wanted from a source other than a MEts clubhouse attendant given that it was actually prescribed to him. Strictly speculation, of course. I love Boras' quote on this report, BTW: Scott Boras, who represents a number of high-profile players including Yankee third baseman Alex Rodriguez, told The Los Angeles Times he hadn't read the report. He did, however, say he's wary because he believes "the concerns of due process and the standards that apply to it are relatively unknown. Certainly, any results that occur from the report have to be looked at in the light that this is not a collectively bargained effort." "I'm going to assume that a lot of the basis for this is hearsay information," Boras said, according to The Times. "It's not based on any kind of clinical testing, so it is widely a product of hearsay testimony. Without clinical testing or hard evidence, any report like this has to be reviewed with great scrutiny."

At this point all I can think of is a montage of fat lying professional athletes with cuts to pills and needles and George Mitchell reading while Drowning Pool's "Bodies" blast in the background.

Tek doesn't surprise me that much either. Its not like its his sweet swing thats hitting dingers. Jesus H.

Looks like we don't need to worry about A-Rod's price coming down- he just finalized his deal. Good timing...

Yeah, add Trot to that list as well And Flash Gordon And Keith Foulke I dont think these names will come out because I don't think that even 1/4 of the juicers will be exposed, but these are ones i'd question.

Current and former sox who might be on the list PURELY GUESSING: Kapler Damon Walker Bellhorn Mueller Nomar Renteria Beckett Luckily for the sox, the majority of this list seems to be a result of new york clubhouses, which 1) is generally kept at a distance from the sox and 2) we haven't acquired many former new york players. I'm glad that pitchers are finally being looked at since they always just look at sluggers. I actually hope A-rod isnt on the list for 2 reasons. 1) He'll still sign with the yanks but for less money 2) I want the next all time home run slugger to be clean I really hope Pedro isn't on this list I really hope Griffey isn't on this list I'm glad Clemens is on the list I really hope Scott Boras is on the list.

Sean- I agree with a lot you've said- the inconsistency of Maroney, the loss of Colvin, the age of our LBs...these worry me however two things in particular i'm going to argue otherwise are: 1) this is not a finesse offense. see: Donte Stallworth, Wes Welker, Ben Watson, and yes, Tom Brady 2) the weather had very little to do with Peyton Manning and the colts inability to win in Foxboro, and the little bit that it did could be attributed to playing in a dome (which Brady does not do). See the first half of last year's AFC game for the pudding that holds the proof (sorry, but I just need to pick on that raging homo T.O. as much as i can. Shut the f*** up T.O.). Are we going to have any of these "out for season" guys back for the playoffs My guess is no??

Don't be so hard on Dan Marino just because he did more blow than you did in the 80's.

I don't know JHB...despite the name calling I still think you should change your name to Lord Kelvin. It has a good ring to it.

There's probably a better analogy than this it was just the one that came to mind the quickest.

Well, If I score a 100 on a test I have a hard time believing that I will score as high the next time. He set an astronomically high bar this season- and I'm surprised he didn't win a gold glvoe for it. I'm anti-coco- but I thought he earned it.

No offense Bill- but this is really funny. I'm staying out of the statistics argument