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With Pablo, they will get a Twinkie in a bottle.

If the Red Sox did not think that it would have benefited them if he had accepted an assignment to AAA, they would have just released him

And you set the rules? Your argument and logic is fatuous BS. Clutch is not a label like a clothing size. And no one is making a list of clutch players or a list of chokers. Where would the cutoff be? Your insistence on a definitive measure is really in the realm of dopey. Your insistence that you are right is downright obnoxious.

I said you win. Can't you take yes for an answer. But it is all just opinion. On that, you are DFW.

These announcers are so prone to overstatement.

LOL! Good game Twins. Couldn't even hold the lead for 1 inning.

As usual, the Twins don't administer the kill shot, and it will only be a matter of time for them to crumble. SOS.

or the 6th or 7th.

I find it amusing when people declare victory in an opinion based discussion. Okay, you win.

Excellent points and let's add that statistics that appear to be random are the product of efforts that are anything but random.

Again, you are making yourself the arbiter of what defines the attribute. I disagree and think you are wrong.

It is all opinion. Obviously, good performance stats bolster a case.

Sample size large or small does nothing to prove or disprove clutch. In fact, the larger the sample size, the more normal those pressure situations become. Players can acclimate and adjust to those situation the more often they encounter them. Jeter had so many post season ABs that I am sure the adrenaline rush wore off many years before he hung up his spikes. I think a player who might have been a choker can become a clutch player from experience those situation over and over. Also, some guys are clutch from the start and don't need the additional reps.

That is your issue of insisting on tying it to performance statistics. All of the payers have a lot of talent, and yes it is the emotional attribute that does separate them in those high pressure situations. Contrary to the beliefs of some, these amazing athletes who have reached the height of their profession can and do get nervous. Some can handle it better than others. Whether someone is clutch will always be a topic for debate, but the players know who has a steel spine and who wilts.

I am not defining it, nor am I saying that any particular player is clutch. I am just saying that it is an attribute. You can continue to try to prove or disprove it statistically and you can have fun eating soup with a fork.

IMO, you are wrong. You don't get to set the parameters of how to prove whether someone possesses an attribute.

Did you make par?

That is how you want to define it. That is your issue, but don't tell the rest of us that it doesn't exist. You can't measure an attribute -- probably can't even define it very precisely. The clutch guy is the one who the other teammates want u in a big situation -- and that is not always the best guy on the team.

And Gardenhire is not around to go to reliever after reliever after the 5th inning until he found one to fail. In order for the Twins to win, Santana needs to go at least 7 innings.

Prediction: The Twins take an early 1 or 2 run lead and then the Yankees overtake them in the 5th inning or later. That is the script for this bad rerun.

You make a compelling case. I do not wish him ill, but I don't wish him well either. In life, character is usually fate, and yes, I am finally attacking his character, which I didn't do until he took the money and ran -- not accepting the assignment to AAA.

I am going for our bearded hammer out of the pen --MVP.

Hawk Harrelson said that Jim Ed frequently had to hit is 3 shot back at the green he overshot on a par 5.

I would agree with Marrero over Young. While I would prefer another potent bench bat, Young has not been that this year. We are probably better with a premium glove for late inning defense.

No, it is not a performance measure. It is an attribute. The hitter can't control what happens after he hits the ball and the pitcher can't control what happens after he releases the ball. The clutch player is calm under pressure and can perform optimally. His abilities don't increase in a clutch situation. He is just able to perform up to his abilities without adverse effect. Often this will translate into statistical success, but frequently it does not, because there are intervening factors including opponents who may also be clutch. It can't be measured, because it is an attribute. How do you identify clutch. The other players and coaches can usually tell. It can be in another player's eyes, his bearing and other ways. Similarly the frightened choking player will also exhibit tells. Clutch is an attribute. Some have it. Some don't. Good players are not necessarily clutch players, and mediocre players can be clutch. A player can be clutch until he faces another player who is better and more clutch. A clutch player is not always clutch. He may have choked at some points in his career. As in golf, everyone chokes at some point. The guys who choke less than the others are the great ones. Ortiz was predominantly clutch. Denying that clutch exists, because it cannot be proved statistically is just foolishness -- a point about which to make a fatuous argument and act like a smarty pants.