ahhchon

although i wanta drag on the peace pipe, and will drag on it i want to make one thing clear. there is a difference between your pedro ragging and my tek ragging. you rag on pedro because he's an "*******". which you don't really have any stats to back up i rag on tek that he's on a "decline". which i do have stats to backup. that is the difference. but if it makes you feel better, i'll chill for a while, i'm supposed to be studying for four finals anyways. john

awsome info zen: i'm not liking this renteria signing. i friggan feel like i'm cheering for the yankees when we sign every so many stars and push our payroll higher and higher. what's wrong with building from the bottom and winning with guys that we picked and "raised". it's pretty sad that trot was the only player that has gone through our system on that ws team. john p.s.- in responce to crespo (so i don't have to make a new post): Because that would make way too much sense man. i'de rather see better pitching over hitting anyday.

check out that link i've provided. it shows all the teams tek has played against. the teams he's batted well against generally are known or do have poor pitching. the teams he bats poor against generally are known or do have good pitching. i'de say the yanks have had good pitching over teks career, same with atlanta, who has had one of the best, if not the best staff over teks career. same with oakland and seattle. look at the teams he's batted well against. tampa, angels, chicago, KC, Guardians, detroit, twins, blue jays. all teams with subpar pitching. throughout teks career. john

first off - love from the friggan zen master, i'm blushing like a schoolboy under the mistletoe! 2ndly - sara, exactly, where IS THE LOVE? you surely didn't show any when you ripped me the shread in the other thread. was it you or was it red sox that said i knew abosolutely nothing about the sox. one of you also stated that i was a dumbass. it isn't so nice when the tables are turned aye? this is a discussion board, lets discuss, not insult fellow sox fans. john p.s.- BoSox Rule, are you the same bosox rule from baseball.com? if so, cheese and crackers for you, you're pedro's homeboy over there. if i was able to post there i'de give you a hand or two.

tek can't have great rbi or HR numbers. he doesn't have the power, nor does he have the ability to. he's also insanely terrible on the road, compared to at home: Home 420 1322 193 395 105 5 44 212 151 273 8 6 .299 .376 .486 .861 Away 412 1386 170 338 77 2 53 206 147 303 13 7 .244 .320 .417 .737 i don't want to cluster this thread with numbers that don't fit across the screen: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlbpa/players/5921...er&type=Batting look at his numbers against teams with good pitching. disregard a few of the teams after atlanta. it is pretty clear that tek his for better average against teams with poorer pitching (DUHH). yeah that's obvious, but his dropoff is much greater than most guys that bat .300. he'll bat .350 against teams like KC who have no pitching and bat .228 and .194 against teams that have good pitching such as NYY and ATL. i don't really know how you guys can say tek is not on his decline, do you think he can/will have a better year than the one he has had this past year? john

c'mon, not to be picking on you but the last posts you made were talking about how dumb my comments were. hanley is one of the top 30 prospects in the game. from everything i've read (wish i could see him play) he's everything nomar was and more with the exception of power. i honestly doubt he'll be able to hit for ave like nomar has but i could dream, can't i? i like the singing of rent, but then again, i don't. why do we need another "big bat" (not really that big) in the lineup? we've only had the most RS the past 2 years in a row. if hanley is everything they say he is i would much rather have him for 6 years at league minimum. even if you do you move hanley to 2b what are you doing to do with dustin pedrodia (sp) when he's ready? ss is filled, 2b is filled. LF and RF are most likely locked up. are we going to move hanley from a position he's comfy at (2b) to the outfield and put dustin at 2nd? it seems more and more obvious that one of the two will be traded if we sign renteria. who knows, maybe theo has something in the works with the a's and one of the big 3. that would be pretty interesting but i'm not sure i like it. giving up a future (possibly great) ss for 1 year of tim hudson or 2 years of zito or mulder. yeah, we COULD sign them to extensions, but that is no gaurantee since the sox are supposed to be trying to cut down on payroll. john

good point. but what if shoppach is ready by 05 and we need another SP to push for the playoffs? it is possible that one of our starters could get injured. what if tek shows that he's on the decline immediately. but then again, those are all what ifs. we would also have to give manny and trot a no trade. i honestly don't see the team trading manny anyways, nor would i want to see the team trade trot. not at his salary (4.5-6 a year). i think he only made 4.5 this year. mill that is. but the point is that you would have to give them a NTC, therefore making them untradable. you really don't want too many of those on your team no matter how you look at it. john

sara- you're obviously still upset because i called you out on hating on pedro and giving nothing but love to tek. lets get some facts straight. this is a discussion board. where people TALK and state what they think is going to happen. i'm obviously not theo epstein and what i say obviously does not change who the sox do or do not sign. i don't know who really is on the hunt for pavano but i'm sure the sox management knows a lot more, therefore they went after someone like wells. like i stated, "IMO" that means, in my opinion. do you know what an opinion is? here, i'll help you out: o·pin·ion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-pnyn) n. A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: “The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion” (Elizabeth Drew). if you COULD read, you would see that i said that wells had "LIKE" (the rest of my sentence). that means that i did not check up his exact stats but i had a good estimate. you do know what estimate means right? as for tek. i think people are getting the wrong impression of me, thinking i'm some sort of tek hater. i've been cheering for tek since he came over from seattle with lowe. that's a pretty damn long time. i love him, but he IS, on the decline. with the exception of 2001, the year he injured his elbow tek has compiled more and more K's each year where his other numbers have been pretty consistant. 1997 BOS 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.000 1.000 1.000 2.000 1998 BOS 86 221 31 56 13 0 7 33 17 45 2 2 .253 .309 .407 .716 1999 BOS 144 483 70 130 39 2 20 76 46 85 1 2 .269 .330 .482 .813 2000 BOS 139 448 55 111 31 1 10 65 60 84 1 1 .248 .342 .388 .730 2001 BOS 51 174 19 51 11 1 7 25 21 35 0 0 .293 .371 .489 .859 2002 BOS 132 467 58 124 27 1 10 61 41 95 4 3 .266 .332 .392 .724 2003 BOS 142 451 63 123 31 1 25 85 51 106 3 2 .273 .351 .512 .863 2004 BOS 137 463 67 137 30 1 18 73 62 126 10 3 .296 .390 .482 .872 If you watch sox games and watch tek play you'll see that he's very much of a bad pitcher hitter. i'm not saying he's a bad hitter, i'm saying that his success is mainly from poor pitchers. against most above par pitching tek K's. Not only that his bat speed has decreased every year. toward the end of the season teks numbers get worse and worse. 3-year splits by month (OPS - K's - RBI's): March: 1.500, 1, 0 April: .859, 40, 32 May: .788, 53, 40 June: .822, 57, 30 July: .885, 59, 46 August: .850, 65, 48 September: .721, 50, 23 October: .143, 2, 0 dropping off at the end of the season is probably the worst thing. overpaying for an AGING catcher is the worst move red sox management could make. i could see signing tek at a reasonable price, but 9 mill per? no way. there is no need to sign an aging catcher that is on his decline when there is basically a carbon copy of him that will be ready in about 2 years (shoppach). on paper it doesn't show that tek is on the decline, other than K's. i guess i'll have to make an arguement for it. Look at teks 04 numbers, do you really think they are going to get any better than that? i honestly don't, not at his age, not at the position he's playing. the pressure on his knees will catch up to him, age will catch up to him. that's why i believe he has no where to go, but down. john p.s.- the name is john, and the name on the forum is ahhchon, once again proving that you cannot read. or is that your way of insulting me? i don't know what to tell you, i have never insulted you, i have never mocked your name. we are all sox fans afterall and this is a place to discuss the sox. there is no need to hate me because i have no hate for you bro. same goes for you rexsox24.

tek doesn't suck. but for 9 mill a year with a no trade clause he does. especially since he's on his decline. john

we're not going to sign pavano.. trust me.. it's not happening. looks like they are going to run with tek.. sigh. john

this better be definate gammons bs.. cus that is ludacrus.. no way we do that... pavano will either be a sox or an oriole. john

no he hasn't.. he's been like 10-10 4.7+ era.. that's not too good in my book. john

they are not going to sign wells. it doesn't make sense. the monster will eat him alive. he's a career like 10-10 4.7+era at fenway. it's a ploy to sign pavano imo. john

i think it's a ploy to get pavano to sign with us. wells in fenway? that monster would eat him alive. john

Caberra- Angels Pedro- Red Sox Tek- Red Sox (i hope not if it's over 8 a year) Lowe- Orioles Beltran- Astros Delgado- Yankees if they can void giambi's contract, Orioles if not Pavano- Tigers Beltre- Orioles Drew- Braves Ordonez- Yankees Renteria- Cardinals Sexson- Seattle Clement- Cubs Alou- Giants john wrong about: pavano: yankees pedro: mets wish i could change: clement: tigers

i've said it time in and time out... we won't hurt losing a bat or two. we've only had the most RS 2 years in a row. getting better pitchers will make the difference. i'm not sure if we'll pull off pavano if we sign tek. i'm gearing at letting tek go, make sure we sign pavano and save the rest for next seasons singnings. john

why would you wish rape upon someone? giambi took steriods, that doesn't make him a bad person. it makes him a "cheater" in baseball. don't act as if you have never cheated @ anything. to wish rape upon someone is a bit harsh. if he likes it, now that's a diff story. john

we will if we don't sign tek.. john

3 years 40 mill.. that's what i've been saying. anything under 14 and it'll fly, w00t w00t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! john

dude, he's a friggan yankee fan. why do you guys even bother trying to talk to him.. i cringe everytime i see you guys try, such a waste of time. john p.s.- santana will NOT continue to be this hot.. i'm predicting less than 19 wins and era more than 2.8.

signing pavano WILL make them a contender.. if they gave the yankees as hard of a time as they gave the sox their record would be much different. the yankees have like a .75 win % at camden. the orioles are a dangerous team, they are 1-2 good starters away from being very dangerous. john

definately a good move.. my buddy's fav pitcher is mant. can't wait to see him pitch next season. john

2 years 9 mill per.. wow, radke really wanted to stay in the empty metrodome :-D john

i prefer his job to be a bench player that bats .200 on the yankees @ 15+ mill a year. i don't know what you're thinking.. the steriod issue is pretty sketchy, who knows who might be on steriods.. david ortiz etc etc.. you just don't really know. i'm not saying ortiz is on steriods, i'm saying he could be and we just don't know.. john

nice post schilling.. to further a point you made: you guys need to realize that pitching is the ONLY thing pedro knows how to do. he doesn't know how to run a business, he doesn't know how to fix computers, to fix a car, to do anything. pitching is his life. do you realize that once he retires he's not going to be able to do ANYTHING that gets him income? yeah he can sign a few baseballs here and there, but that does NOT support you. in order for him to live the lifestyle he's living today he has to get as many years as possible on his contract and sign for as much as possible. if you were in his shoes you would want the same thing. that's the reason i don't hate on tek. yeah i think what he's asking for is rediculous, but i understand that he wants to keep living the lifestyle he's living how when he's done with his career. he has 3-4 kids (i'm pretty sure he has 3) and he wants them to live an above par life. it's really as simple as that. but that's the difference between tek and pedro. the money pedro is asking for is at least possible. i mean seriously now, "if" his era stays consistent (for him that's a 2.7) you don't think he's worth 14 mill a season? i'de pay 14 mill a year for a 2.7 era pitcher. especially with pedro, you'de know you'de be top 3 in the al (if not league) in K's and pretty low in HR and BB's. tek on the other hand is (was) asking for 5 years 55 million with a no trade clause. which is absolutely LUDACRIS. that's the difference my friends. look past all that media bs about pedro and how much of a team player tek is. if he's such a "team player" he wouldn't be asking for something that rediculous. i can see why he wants the years, the money, and the ntc but the amount and level of each is way too extreme. i mean seriously, when he's done he can take his engineering degree and get a job (he won't have to, but COULD) whereas pedro will have nothing. that right there, is the difference. john p.s.- don't get me wrong, i don't hate on tek, i've been cheering for him since we got him and lowe from seattle. this all started because some (cough, sarahsoxfan, cough) was bashing my homeboy pedro, yet never touched on tek because he "acted like a pro"