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i missed it, i can't read this s*** word for word. i'de be here forever. i make my pionts while i'm reading and get it done. saratosa trib, never checked that paper to see how they are so i'll give you the benefit of the doubt that they are not complete morons. but what i said about the globe is true. they are idiots, people who read it are idiots. (sport section on sox at least) john

where did i say we should sign him because he's nomar. look at the numbers i posted. do you think that what i say is definate, i know how large the sample sizes are and i also point them out. look at nomars career average vs renterias best year. that's the market, if nomar got 8 mill and you pay renteria 10 mill you're saying that he's worth 2 mill more than nomar. which could be true, but judged on past results it's not true, not even close. how can you justify paying renteria 10 mill a year when polacio is only 3 mill per TOPS? the guy can defend just well and is not far behind hitting wise. we'll see.. john

that article has its good points and so many bad points it's not even funny. first off, ANYONE that reads the boston globe as a source of information about a game or the red sox in general is an idiot. those writers don't know anything. those guys hate pedro. ANY TRUE red sox fan that has been watching the sox for more than 2-3 years would know that pedro hasn't always been like this. he was the man back then, he was above all else. like i said, i would have rolled a red carpet for him when he was introduced at fenway. as for leaving for money. i'm glad he left, the sox couldn't afford that. WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY should he STAY for LESS money? the red sox paid him 92 million in 7 years because he was supposed to be an awsome pitcher. guess what. he was more than that. he was the greatest pitcher to ever touch a baseball. simple as that. he MORE than earned those dollars. you could look and say that it is US who is jipping him. either way him leaving is for the better. he gets a boatload more money, 18.5 million dollars. i don't care if he's playing for the yankees (although it'll bite me everytime i see him in pinstripes) but for 18.5 million dollars you and i would both leave. it's not about how much money he has, it's about how much money was offered him. i'm sure he's a big friggan spender, i'm sure he wants to live like that forever after he retires, 18.5 million sure friggan helps. pedro was the most rediculous person every dubbed by boston columnist. that's because he gave them no respect and they hated him. f***, who doesn't hate the media. if he bowed down to them and gave them their stupid interviews here and there none of this would have happened. you fell for it. don't you guys realize how much the boston media sucks, how much the media sucks in general? please, if you want to bash on pedro make another thread, we are trying to remember the greatest pitcher who ever lived. don't ruin our thing. john

nomar had better numbers that renteria did last season. his offensive numbers were so much better it's not even funny. granted he only played 81 games the sample is smaller. but it's nomar. given 140+ games his offensive numbers would have decimated edgars. now that he's healthy, we'll see. i have no doubt in my mind that nomars numbers will be better than renterias numbers. he had 9 hr's in 81 games, renteria had 10 in 140+ games. he had 41 rbi's for the cubs where renteria had 72. his OBP was greater by .039, slugging better by .055, and his OPS was greater by .091. this is playing while INJURED. don't worry, i'll have much more after my finals.. how is els making sense? he says john is right and stated what i said. lol but i'm wrong. negative john

what bases do you have saying that. EIGHTEEN POINT FIVE MILLION DOLLARS. hell i would have gone to the yankees for that. all of a sudden it makes me a bad person. this is a business, not a loyalty function. so let me get this straight. renteria is NOT a bastard for leaving the team he went to the ws with to join the opposing team for a measily 1 mill per year more. but pedro is a bastard because he's leaving for 18? i hate to get into this s*** with you again but your personal bias against pedro is clouding everything you say. how can you say a guy is this and that for one thing but not say anything about the other guy? get your facts straight, pedro was the f***ing man. i don't care if he didn't show up ever, as long has he was there for his starts that's all that mattered. it's not like him being such a baby affected any games. he was a clubhouse clown, everyone loved him, everyone that played for him at least. the only reason you even THINK that he's a baby and whiner is because of the media. they blow everything out of proportion. even like you said, "i hope the NY media eats him alive" (along the lines of that). what does the media have anything to do with how well he plays f*** it. pedro is the man, the best pitcher to ever wear the sox uniform and you should be greatful you even got the chance to see him on tv. john

read my other posts bro. if els is right how am i wrong considering he said i was right. lol don't worry, i have 2 more finals today then i'm free. i'll have so many stats backing why renteria is worth only 6 mill, 7 mill TOPS. john

i almost cried reading that.. john

christ dude, look at the teams he played, outside of boston (1), yankees (2), angels (1) and baltimore (1) the other teams had very little offensive force. john

i think one of our mothers are lying to us and we are twins.. john

negative, i don't buy it at all. santana is overrated imo. he won't be able to put up those numbers again. he won't continu that 13-0 win streak with a sub 2 era. he wishes he was pedro with a left throwing arm santana is good, but not sub 2.5 good, not even sub 2.7 good (not over a span of a whole season at least). i predict a 3-3.5 era next season while leading the al in k's (unless rj moves). john

Nomar: G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K 126 505 92 165 37 6.25 23 89 37 53 SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS 11 3.6 .322 .370 .549 .919 Renteria: G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K 157 587 96 194 47 1 13 100 65 54 SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS 34 7 .330 .394 .480 .874 mind you this is a small sample of renterias BEST year vs a large sample of nomars AVERAGE i would say that his BEST season does touch nomars career average. but those are numbers calculated by me and i rounded up or down accordingly. i did it out fast so it's not very accurate but it's pretty damn close. a healthy nomar decimates renteria offensively. john

THROWS UP..... john

don't you remember the LIIIIILYYYYY LIIIIILLYYYYY chants? john

his hitting abilities should never be mentioned in the same breath as nomars. it's not even close. renteria could NEVER hit more than 25 HR's a year, he also couldn't hit .370, let alone have an over .450 OBP and 1.0+ OPS. lets not overrate this guy cus we signed him.. oops wait, we signed him cus we overrated him. he's not BAD, but he's NOT 10 mill dollars a year good. nomar is getting paid 2 mill less than edgar this year and will hit 10 more hr's, have 20 more rbi's and have a higher OBP. john

it's sad how people took pedro for granted.. it's all dan s*****'s fault. all that garbage he wrote about pedro. everytime i read it wanted to punch him in the face. even when i was just a teenager. the man knows nothing about baseball, he's a friggan reporter. i hate him so bad. john

no you wouldn't. john

if ben sheets EVER made it into the fa market boston and ny would NOT be the only two teams bidding on him. it'll come down to us two, possibly with the angels but if it really came down to a bidding war the sox would win. with schilling being gone after 06 we'de definately need an ace. you guys will allready still have pavano, vazquez and moose. john

OMG, they are shockingly similar. and i don't KNOW WTF i was talking about when i said renteria was better than jeter offensively.. must had been a mess up in my brain. jeter is FAR superior to renteria offensively. john

offensively, hell yes, defensively, hell no. john

yea yea, spot of the 1st world series EVER. john

look at it this way. nomar signed for 1 year 8 mill. renteria signed for 4 years 40 mill. that's 2 mill more a year for renteria than nomar. nomar: average defence, way above average offence: 8 mill for ONE YEAR renteria: good defence, average offence: 40 mill for FOUR years. hanley is on the way up and is more than promising, this was a bad signing. john

i wish i could have, but you gotta face the facts that he had OMG 1 bad year with us. that's all some dumbass "fans" seem to remember. half the people in my college that wears boston hats were not even around for when we got pedro from the expos. john p.s.- not half, more like 98%

actually OC's OPS is greater than renterias. yes, renteria had a slightly better obp (by .007), that's .7 percent better. but OC surely makes up with his slugging % which was .485 (at fenway). renterias was .401. OC's OPS is also much better than renterias. given a full year at fenway OC's numbers would have been superior to renterias. his defence is better and he costs less. renteria was not a BAD signing, it was the BEST thing we could have done. john

OUCH, OC's OPS was higher than renterias last season and his defence was better too. he also struk out less than renteria and would have had a better average and power numbers if he spent a full seasn at fenway. he batted .394 at fenway whereas renteria batted .287 all season. bellhorn wouldn't be as good at the bottom of the order. his OBP is pretty damn good. he's a decent number two. i bitched a lot about bellhorn last season about being # 2 but renteria is not the guy to replace him. close, but no close enough imo. i'm just hating this signing. overpaying and everything is pointing towards trading hanley. john

it really isn't a great signing, it's not even a good signing. you are overpaying for an overrated player. how does it get any worse? we should have let him sign with the cardinals for 9 mill per and signed OC for 7 or 8 mill per or gotten a stopgap. now we're trade 6 years of (18+HR, 80 + rbi, .300 + ave, GG ss defence @ 300k per year) sigh. bellhorn batting 2nd > renteria batting 2nd. the higher your OBP is the more value you are behind the box. do you guys even understand what OBP is? it's the chance that you WON'T create an out. the higher the % the better. renteria is extremely overrated. he has good defence, his hitting is so overrated it's not even funny. his career has been up and down up and down. his OPS (another stat that is MUCH more important than ave) was only in the .700's this year. that's CRAP for a 10 mill per year player. this signing is stupid. my worst fears are coming true, overpaying for rent, next is overpaying for tek, and then we're going to get into a bidding war with the angels for clement and rape our farm system for pitchers. john