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A good old fashioned no-lube anal raping of Tampa today. It is a nice thing to watch considering what they've put us through.

FUNNY I THOUGHT THERE WERE 24 OTHER GUYS ON EACH TEAM THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THE END RESULT. You dumb f***.

Umm, It won't get to that point because the Rodriguez' would sweep the Ortiz team rather easily. Unless you are that convinced that say 45/100 defensive ability and 95/100 offensive ability will beat 90/100 defensive ability and 90/100 offensive ability. (and that is being generous, since Rodriguez leads the AL in OPS and Ortiz doesn't)

You find the facts to make your own argument, I'm not doing your work. I'll leave you with this simple question. If he is a good defender, why isn't he out there?

Confidence. Cockiness. Class dismissed.

This is what we call a conclusion without any real facts behind it. It doesn't matter if he can or can't play first base, the fact is he doesn't. If he can cure cancer, but doesn't exactly how many people does that save? He does not play defense, and has produced ZERO DEFENSIVE VALUE. Clone David Ortiz 8 times, and throw him in the field and what do you get? Clone Rodriguez 8 times and throw him in the field and what do you get? I will take the Rodriguez team 10 times out of 10. You make this crap up about Ortiz being 'happy to switch for the team'. Your damn right he's happy to switch, because he sucks in the field. I'm sure Rodriguez would be happy to switch too, if they didn't need him because he's a Gold Glover. Unless of course, the MVP needs to start considering Ortiz' INTANGIBLES! Oh wait, but in the case of Derek Jeter they are useless and make him overrated.

The Cy Young is the best pitcher in the league, which can be a closer. The MVP is most valuable player. Unless a DH is putting up ridiculously better numbers than the entire field(ie. Bonds '01), it has to go to a player who brings defensive value over someone who doesn't. And considering the fact that Rodriguez has better numbers, I can't see how it's even a discussion.

You win the internet! If we are going to put DH's into the mix, why not some votes for Jason Giambi? He's #2 in OPS, the gold standard of judging hitters and #1 in OBP, easily the most important individual offensive stat in baseball. He's also #1 in Runs Created per game, for you sabermetrics guys. Nobody seems to be appreciating just how good a year Giambi is having. Check this, Giambi has a 1.142 OPS since the ASG, 19 HRs and 42 RBIs. Just mind boggling numbers, and he's barely getting any dap.

Who cares, if you can't prove it then what is the use of accusing?

Yankee fans can be cocky. Just because I root for them doesn't mean I think it's right. Go ahead, count the Yankees out. Hell, start planning your parade! For you are no doubt better than any baseball team in the land. Do it now, so the disspointment really sets in when you fail. If you have reason to be that cocky, then you won't have to worry about the dissapointment. Stop trying to pick fights with every single one of my posts. Unless you have some sort of an inferiority complex.

Hits like that help a case. We'll see if Rodriguez can do anything special down the stretch.

First of all, I've never been in favor of death to people, but idiots like you make me reconsider. Rule of thumb, saying choke 35 times doesn't make you right. Perhaps you should look up the grammatical errors of run on sentences, punctuation, capitalization and spelling too. And laughing at your own jokes is a sign of self consciousness and what many qualify as 'loser' behavior. Back to the topic- Boston wasn't even the best team in their division in 2004. The Yankees (yeah them) had a better record of 3 games over a 162 game sample of baseball. The Red Sox had a 1 game advantage over 7 games of baseball. Now which do you think would be a more accurate sample size? Test a theory seven times, or over a dozen if you want to say the whole postseason.. or test it 162 times and see who is best? Any team can go on a hot streak. The Dodgers went on a 12-2 run to start the year. Baltimore was in first for 2 and half months. So just because a team gets hot in October instead of May means they were the best team that year? The USSR hockey team in 1980 was hands down the best hockey team in the world. However, the United States beat them and went on to win the Gold Medal. They weren't better than the Soviets. You ever hear of a team that is built for the playoffs? That was Boston last year, Florida two years ago, Arizona 4 years ago. Teams that have spectacular pitching(Pedro, Schilling) (Beckett, Willis, Pavano) (Johnson, Schilling) at the top and a capable offense. That's because those teams are well designed to go on a hot streak in a short series. The Yankees are built like that this season, and should they make it to the playoffs could win the whole thing. However, I find it comical to believe they were the best team this year, even if they won the whole thing. The last time the best team won the World Series was 1998. I'm not cheapening the Championship, but the logic that the best team always wins in October isn't valid. And not that I, nor anyone else cares who the best team was. It's just an argument.

Unfortunately, nobody cares who the 'best team in baseball' was for the regular season. Success is defined by Championships. The 2000 Yankees (mediocre regular season) will always be known as champions, and the 2001 Mariners will be forgotten.

Another reason this has gone on for 23 pages is everyone is repeating the same garbage over and over, on both sides. Where's the new material?

I think the difference between confidence and cockiness in this instance is, if you are confident it is because you think your team will win because you have faith in their ability. Being cocky is belittling another team to make you seem superior. I love confidence in a team, thinking they can get the job done. I can't stand however, when people debase another team's ability. If your reason to think you'd win is because you think the Sox team is the best there is, that's confidence. If the reason to think you'd win is because the "ChokeeZ suck! lolz", that's cockiness. Don't underestimate your opponents, because that's just waiting for disaster.

http://www.talksox.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4345 You guys still would have a shot at it. However, if we were both tied and second place was assured of the WC then the Yanks would be division champs.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-tiebreakercoinflips&prov=ap&type=lgns

Now I can stop going to this thread, because that post was exactly what I was looking to see. Thanks Red.

Umm, I didn't make him do anything. He went off topic on his own free will. My point was that Johnson didn't give up any runs, so whatever other lineup was put out there couldn't have done any worse. However, I think it's unfair to criticize Francona in this instance and just have to tip the cap to a great performance by Johnson. My post was about Francona's managing (in response to the topic 'Francona Blows This one!') His post was about how Wakefield was better than Randy Johnson today and Jason Giambi was on steroids. What the f*** does that have to do with Francona?

It's not that we've given up on the Wild Card, but hey that's secondary. If we shoot for the division and come up just short, we should still make the playoffs. While we may not be mentioning it, we are keeping an eye on the Guardians, A's and Angels scores. It comes down to what the Yankees and Sox do against the rest of the division. Those last 3 games at Fenway are definitely going to mean something.

Yeah ok. Whatever. Watch the season.

I understand, just seems that whenever a Yankee has a good game somebody says the guy from Boston was better. And I'm dying to see this stretch run to see how it plays out.

Why does everything have to be a comparison of the Yankees and Red Sox? Wakefield had nothing to do with Francona's managing today. Entirely off topic, period.

Or working out. What muscles stop growing from April to October? Like I said he lost a lot of weight from the tumor and parasite and began working out to get it back. Case and point, Barry Bonds is still just as big as he's always been. He's been off steroids and hasn't lost weight. The only way you start losing muscle after stopping steroids is no longer working out, and Jason is still keeping in shape.

lol, listen I'm only like this with teams that have a legitimate hope. You won't find me hyping the Rangers and Knicks this year. The Yanks and Jets are contenders. Hey positive spin? John Hall made 3 field goals! I don't think he did that once with the Jets. Although, I think it must've hurt just a little bit to see Chad Morton bring a punt back for a TD today.