The Red Sox Need To Extend Garrett Crochet Now

I agree. Crochet needs to be extended. What we gave up for just 2 years, seems like a big overpay.

4 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

That's the way the game is played. 

A bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush, but it the open market of MLB baseball a high end talent like crochet is worth 3 birds in the bush. 

If all the prospects pan out, or even just two hit their ceiling it's going to look like the Sox got fleeced.  But for a point of reference in Yoan Moncada, Luis Basabe and Michael Kopech all hit their ceiling that would have looked like an awful trade on our part, but in the end you don't complain if the guy you got does what he's supposed to do. 

In a fair trade, it hurts both sides, both sides have to feel like they're winning the trade. 

Very true.

I will add that the Sale trade was for 3 years of control vs 2 for Crochet, but the prospects traded were ranked by soxprospects,com as...

1. Moncada

5. Kopech

7. Basabe

NR Victor Diaz

The Crochet deal:

4. Teel

5. Montgomery

8. Meidroth

18. Wikelman

Both trades were monumental.

Don't expect Crochet or his agent to agree to any team-friendly deal. They both know what a guy of his caliber at his age is worth.

Put it this way: the main reason Yamamoto got $300 million is because he was 25. And last year, in their first as MLB starting pitchers, Crochet was better. With LA and Chicago treating each gingerly, trying to protect their arms (and in Crochet's case, his value), Garrett had 4.1 WAR, while Yama had 1.7 WAR.

The Red Sox know Crochet is worth market value. They didn't give up such a haul for just two years of an ace. 

But don't be surprised if they lowball him, and act like he should feel privileged to play for such a storied franchise.

After all, even if Crochet is great and unextended the next two years, the smart Sox may think they'll get to pay him less total money when he's 27 with two more seasons of mileage on that arm when they get serious about locking him up longterm.

And then he'll either be a Dodger, Met or Yankee. Or Phillie, if Dombro's still in charge.

1 hour ago, Hugh2 said:

#1 Prospect in baseball holds a lot more value than the #4 prospect in your system. Kopech was also very highly regarded at the time, after he was traded after that year he was a top 25 prospect when the next set of rankings went out. 

This haul might work out better for Chicago, but at the time the Sale deal was a bigger package. 

I wasn't trying to say the second offer was more, but I will add that Moncada did not have Anthony, Mayer and Campbell in the system with him, either.

The Sale package was and should have been bigger.  He was proven to be the best of the best and had one more year of control.

1 hour ago, Hugh2 said:

I was going to say an extension might come around the $225 number. 

Just differ $100M of the deal.

1 minute ago, Bellhorn04 said:

My suggested offers to Crochet were largely rejected by Talksox intelligentsia as being too much.    

I have no intel and I'm not a gent, but as I said yesterday, if the Red Sox want Crochet longterm, they need to be willing to pay market value.

The main question is when: when he's 25, 26 or 27? 

Question for number crunchers weighing variables like possible All-Star appearances and Cy Young votes: at which age will a Crochet contract be the most expensive, and which will be the least expensive?

2 hours ago, Hugh2 said:

I'm all for defferals, but 25 million a year isn't a budget breaker for an ace.  The years is a lot of risk, but if you sign a premium free agent at 30 you're likely paying him into his late 30's, rather than his mid 30's and getting his prime years. 

Given Crochetts thin track record for starting that may be too much of a risk for some to swallow, but it's the kind I would hope the Sox would make if they really really believed in a guy. 

I hope we roll the dice based on his age and not his injury and lack of a long durable season on record.

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

I hope we roll the dice based on his age and not his injury and lack of a long durable season on record.

It should be a combination of all 3 IMO. To leave out 2?🙈🤭