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    A Plea For The Red Sox To Sign Juan Soto


    Maddie Landis
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    It's great to look for surplus value, to be strategic, and to sign players who suit your roster needs. But you know what else is great? Getting the best player on the market.

     “It’s expensive to sign baseball players,” John Henry once said, much to the chagrin of Red Sox fans. Henry’s statement rings true. Free agent contract values are increasing each year. Last offseason, Shohei Ohtani signed a 10-year, $700-million contract to play for the Los Angeles Dodgers, which broke the previous record for the most expensive professional sports contract. Previously, Mike Trout’s 12-year, $426.5-million extension was the largest contract in baseball. 

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    Due to the COVID-19 pandemic, the free agent market dipped following the 2020 season. Free agents affected by the shortened pandemic season “only” inked $1.36 billion total in contracts. However, since then, the total value of free-agent contracts has risen steadily. Some players, arguably, aren’t worth their gargantuan contracts. Others are. 

    Twenty-six-year-old future Hall of Famers like Juan Soto seldom enters free agency. The Athletic projects that Soto will garner a 12-year, $540-million contract. He’s worth every penny, and the Red Sox must pursue him. 

    Sure, money is paramount to Soto, but winning comes in at a close second. It’s important to point out that the Red Sox are behemoths in recent World Series history. Since 2004, they have a 16-3 record in the World Series. On the other hand, the Yankees possess a 5-6 record. Sniping the Yankees' primary offseason target is a dub by itself.

    The Yankees' core is not sustainable. The World Series accentuated their roster construction flaws, from their shoddy defense to their inefficiency on the basepaths. Moreover, the Yankees have the second-oldest roster in the league at an average age of 29.3. Their roster is constrained by several aging superstars in the middle of expensive, long-term contracts. Gerrit Cole (34), Carlos Rodón (31), and Giancarlo Stanton (34) are being paid at least $25 million per year until 2027 or 2028. Aaron Judge has about $280 million remaining on his contract.

    As I mentioned earlier, Juan Soto is 26 years old. He’s two years younger than Rafael Devers, Jarren Duran, Tanner Houck, Kutter Crawford, and Garrett Whitlock. Soto has shown that his floor is an All-Star caliber player in six MLB seasons. His ceiling is a perennial top-10 MVP candidate and Silver Slugger winner.

    Soto would be “just another guy” in the crowded dugouts of the Yankees or Dodgers clubhouse, but he could be the star of the Red Sox. The Red Sox have a young homegrown core. Any egregious long-term contracts don’t saddle the organization. They have a strong farm system. Sustainable contention looms over the horizon, but they need someone to push them over from mediocrity. 

    Over the past couple of seasons, it seems like the Red Sox are banking on the Big Four to impact the major-league roster immediately. Putting all their eggs in one basket is a risky move. At the very least, one of the Big Four will break out in the majors. Allocating some, not all, of their resources toward a generational talent provides them with a backup plan and insurance in case any of their prospects fail to perform in the majors. 

    Opponents argue, “But Soto is a left-handed hitter! The team has too many lefties!” The roster is notably lefty-heavy, but it’s not like the Red Sox lefties can’t hit against left-handed pitching. Triston Casas and Rafael Devers hold 114 and 98 wRC+ career splits against southpaws.

    Soto is frequently likened to Ted Williams for a reason. He has no trouble hitting the ball, regardless of a pitcher’s handedness. Look at his career splits against left-handed pitching. 

    Career

    BA

    OBP

    SLG

    RBI

    HR

    K%

    wRC+

    vs LHP

    .268

    .383

    .475

    191

    56

    18.0

    135

    Wouldn't you like to see the second coming of Ted Williams spend the rest of his career in Fenway Park? Slotting Soto into the lineup would exacerbate the lefty-dominant nature of the lineup, but his career splits mark a substantial improvement over Ceddanne Rafaela (62 wRC+), Masataka Yoshida (84 wRC+), and Jarren Duran (88 wRC+).

    It's also important to remember that injuries were part of the reason the lineup was so lefty-heavy. The holes Vaughn Grissom and Trevor Story left in the infield were filled by left-handed batters David Hamilton, Dom Smith, and Enmanuel Valdez , creating a false narrative that the lineup is too reliant on left-handed batters. It should look a little more balanced next year with (fingers crossed) healthy seasons from Trevor Story and Vaughn Grissom. 

    Assuming Wilyer Abreu is traded, imagine this lineup:

    1. CF Jarren Duran (L)
    2. LF Juan Soto (L)
    3. 3B Rafael Devers (L)
    4. 1B Triston Casas (L)
    5. SS Trevor Story (R)
    6. DH Masataka Yoshida (L)
    7. C Connor Wong (R)
    8. RF Ceddanne Rafaela (R)
    9. 2B Vaughn Grissom (R)

    Beautiful, no? 

    Along with Triston Casas and Masataka Yoshida, Soto will exasperate opposing pitchers, driving pitch counts up and opposing managers insane.

    Soto could provide some cushion for Raffy and alleviate him from the burden/expectation of carrying the team’s offense. Despite being the team’s highest-paid player and the face of the franchise, Devers is notably reserved and shies away from the media. He’s not an outspoken leader, preferring to stay quiet and let his work speak for itself. This is fine, but the Boston media is intense and passionate. Soto is a showy performer and doesn’t shy away from the spotlight. By taking center stage in the organization, he would reduce pressure from the media. 

    Lefties with opposite field power can take advantage of the Green Monster and Soto is no exception. He pulled the ball more frequently while playing in Yankee Stadium last year, but he's capable of spraying the ball all over the field.

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    Soto would pepper Lansdowne Street with home runs. He could easily hit 50+ home runs playing 81 games at Fenway each year. Heck, he might surpass David Ortiz’s single-season record of 54 home runs.

    Speaking of which, like David Ortiz, Soto is Dominican. He plays for the Dominican World Baseball team. The Red Sox have a strong history of Dominican baseball stars. Pedro Martinez, David Ortiz, and Manny Ramirez’s contributions to the 2004 Red Sox will never be forgotten. This past spring, the organization recently updated its Dominican Academy and played an exhibition series in Santo Domingo (Soto’s hometown). Juan Soto grew up idolizing Manny, Pedro, and Big Papi. Why not join Rafael Devers and Brayan Bello to form a new Dominican trio?

    Smart investments matter for sustainable contention. You can’t put a brand-new 2025 Ferrari 812 GTS engine in a 1995 PT Cruiser and expect the car to run smoothly. You also can’t keep “fixing” glaring holes with Band-Aids and expect a winning product on the field. The Red Sox indicated they’ll stop cosplaying as a small market team and are ready to spend. Simply spending for the sake of spending isn’t sustainable. They must be cognizant of where they're allocating their resources. 

    That said, the Red Sox have a list of things that need fixing in the offseason. Their outfield was a bright spot on the team and doesn’t necessarily need any additional help.  However, landing a generational talent like Soto should take precedence over their other issues, and the Red Sox must be proactive. Pursue Soto and let the rest of the roster sort itself out.

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    6 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

    Arenado is a little bit of a question mark, but he wasn't great the past two years and he IS overpaid. It's not horrible, but definitely not a slam dunk contract. 

    Bogaerts is 100,000,000% on the list. He could wind up co-headlining with Trout. At least Trout is marketable in his city. 

    Bogaerts was FIVE years older when heading into FA that year, comparing a 30 year old free agent to a 25 year old free agent is apples and oranges. 

    6 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

    If VLAD is signed. 

    I don't think they sign VLAD if they're signing Soto, it's one.  I don't think he's going to get Soto money but he's going to be close.  He's going to be asking for over 500 million.  

    Are the Sox going to go out and spend 1.2 billion on a LF and 1B in back to back years? I doubt it. I think it's one or the other. 

    24 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

    Bogaerts was FIVE years older when heading into FA that year, comparing a 30 year old free agent to a 25 year old free agent is apples and oranges. 

    You had a post that just said "biggest contracts ever." I didn't realize there was a 25 year old qualification. 

    22 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

    I don't think they sign VLAD if they're signing Soto, it's one.  I don't think he's going to get Soto money but he's going to be close.  He's going to be asking for over 500 million.  

    Are the Sox going to go out and spend 1.2 billion on a LF and 1B in back to back years? I doubt it. I think it's one or the other. 

    Dude, just read my posts. I said that "the Sox sold Soto on a Super team that included him AND Vlad. If they did that, would they then have to trade Casas or Masa?" 

    That's a different argument. The Sox said BOTH which is why I asked about Casas or Masa. 

    Soto could break down in his 30s and become another Pujols.

    But the difference for the next half decade is this: Albert didn't start playing on his new contract with the Angels until he was age 32. Whoever signs Soto gets Juan in his prime years at age 26, 27, 28, 29, 30 and 31.

    Through his age 25 season, Pujols actually had a better start to his career than Soto (37.7 WAR vs. 36.4 WAR), In his next six years Albert had 49 WAR... if Juan averages 8 WAR through the next half dozen campaigns -- with another couple World Series appearances -- can his club live with albatross seasons in the back end of his contract?

    Btw: as bad as Pujols was at the end, here are 162-game averages through his age 32-37 seasons: 2.4 WAR, but 31 doubles, 31 homers, 110 RBIs. 

     

    9 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

    Dude, just read my posts. I said that "the Sox sold Soto on a Super team that included him AND Vlad. If they did that, would they then have to trade Casas or Masa?" 

    That's a different argument. The Sox said BOTH which is why I asked about Casas or Masa. 

    I wrote out a response in all caps because I write caps at work and I decided I don't want you to think I'm yelling. 

    Yeah, I mean it could be Casas, I'm for trading anyone for the right price, I think Casas could net a far higher return if he puts together a full season (or not). But I just don't see the need to right now.  

     

     

    15 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

    You had a post that just said "biggest contracts ever." I didn't realize there was a 25 year old qualification. 

    It's not a qualification.  But you'd feel a whole lot better about signing a long term contract with a 25 year old over a 30 year old.  Anyone of us would. So it's different. 

    13 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

    Soto could break down in his 30s and become another Pujols.

    But the difference for the next half decade is this: Albert didn't start playing on his new contract with the Angels until he was age 32. Whoever signs Soto gets Juan in his prime years at age 26, 27, 28, 29, 30 and 31.

    Through his age 25 season, Pujols actually had a better start to his career than Soto (37.7 WAR vs. 36.4 WAR), In his next six years Albert had 49 WAR... if Juan averages 8 WAR through the next half dozen campaigns -- with another couple World Series appearances -- can his club live with albatross seasons in the back end of his contract?

    Btw: as bad as Pujols was at the end, here are 162-game averages through his age 32-37 seasons: 2.4 WAR, but 31 doubles, 31 homers, 110 RBIs. 

     

    Sure, but Pujols signed for 10 years. Soto is going to sign for 15 years. You'll get the same declining years (if they happen).

    5 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

    I wrote out a response in all caps because I write caps at work and I decided I don't want you to think I'm yelling. 

    Yeah, I mean it could be Casas, I'm for trading anyone for the right price, I think Casas could net a far higher return if he puts together a full season (or not). But I just don't see the need to right now.  

     

     

    So Vlad is DH, Soto is LF, Devers is 3B. They would then trade and eat Masa's salary? 

    6 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

    So Vlad is DH, Soto is LF, Devers is 3B. They would then trade and eat Masa's salary? 

    Again, I don't think the Sox are signing both Vlad and Soto.....maybe someone else said that earlier and I missed it sorry about that.  But I just don't see that happening. 

     

    ADD.  Also, teams are going to be bidding on VLAD as a 1B, not a DH, If we are signing VLad he's a 1B, and then yes we trade Casas.  I don't think this effects MASA at all. 

    5 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

    Again, I don't think the Sox are signing both Vlad and Soto.....maybe someone else said that earlier and I missed it sorry about that.  But I just don't see that happening. 

     

    ADD.  Also, teams are going to be bidding on VLAD as a 1B, not a DH, If we are signing VLad he's a 1B, and then yes we trade Casas.  I don't think this effects MASA at all. 

    The Red Sox presented that to Soto that they were going to do that. 

    2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

    Mike Trout 426M

    Stanton 324M

    Xander 280M

    Arenado 260M

    So an 80% hit rate? Remains to be seen for some of the other guys though. That hit rate could drop a little. 

    How about looking at only the highest contracts that are finished or close enough to finish and grade?

    $426 Trout ('19-'30) BUST

    $325 Stanton ('15-'27) ??? MEH???

    $252 ARod ('01-'10) renegotiated to $275 ('08-'17) Pretty good, first one, second one????

    $260 Arenado ('19-'26) Ummm.... dropped off on O, bigtime

    $248 Miggy ("16-'23) Close to a BUST, if not one.

    $245 Strasburg ('20-'26) Injured for most of it

    $245 Rendon ('20-'26) BUST

    $240 Pujols ('12-'21) BUST

    $240 Cano ('14-'23) BUST

    $225 Votto ('14-'13) Pretty bad for the last half, or so.

    $217 Price Meh to worse

    Others over $200: kershaw, Yelich, Fielder, Scherzer, Greinke

    What's the hit rate, here?

     

    Not quiter eady to grade, but close...

    $324 Cole ('20-'28 with more to come)

    $300 Machado ('19-'28)

     

    17 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

    How about looking at only the highest contracts that are finished or close enough to finish and grade?

     

    Right because the largest contracts have mostly been handed out very recently and haven't gotten to the second half of the contract when we start to see the bad returns. 

    Can't get overly excited about a 10 year contract after year 2 IMO. 

    59 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

    How about looking at only the highest contracts that are finished or close enough to finish and grade?

    $426 Trout ('19-'30) BUST

    $325 Stanton ('15-'27) ??? MEH???

    $252 ARod ('01-'10) renegotiated to $275 ('08-'17) Pretty good, first one, second one????

    $260 Arenado ('19-'26) Ummm.... dropped off on O, bigtime

    $248 Miggy ("16-'23) Close to a BUST, if not one.

    $245 Strasburg ('20-'26) Injured for most of it

    $245 Rendon ('20-'26) BUST

    $240 Pujols ('12-'21) BUST

    $240 Cano ('14-'23) BUST

    $225 Votto ('14-'13) Pretty bad for the last half, or so.

    $217 Price Meh to worse

    Others over $200: kershaw, Yelich, Fielder, Scherzer, Greinke

    What's the hit rate, here?

     

    Not quiter eady to grade, but close...

    $324 Cole ('20-'28 with more to come)

    $300 Machado ('19-'28)

     

    I'd make the cutoff $200 mill.  Scherzer and Greinke were both very good.

    Also I think it's fair to grade contracts that are least 5 years in and still look good, like Harper's and Mookie's.

    IMHO.

    Here's a quote from the "Pay Mookie!" thread, now almost four years old:

    "I feel Mookie's career and contract will be defined by his performance over the next half decade, during which time I fully expect him to produce another 30 WAR and lead his new club to at least 450 wins. If he helps win another World Series, it will be worth it to that franchise and its fan base."

    Man, was I ever off on that one -- Betts only has 27.4 WAR since joining LA... although, since he led all of baseball with 3.6 WAR in 55 games in 2020, maybe he would've earned another 3 WAR or so if that season lasted another hundred games.

    Meanwhile, the Dodgers have won 458 in the Mookie Era, plus 31 more in the postseasons (while the Red Sox won 359 total).

    3 hours ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

    Here's a quote from the "Pay Mookie!" thread, now almost four years old:

    "I feel Mookie's career and contract will be defined by his performance over the next half decade, during which time I fully expect him to produce another 30 WAR and lead his new club to at least 450 wins. If he helps win another World Series, it will be worth it to that franchise and its fan base."

    Man, was I ever off on that one -- Betts only has 27.4 WAR since joining LA... although, since he led all of baseball with 3.6 WAR in 55 games in 2020, maybe he would've earned another 3 WAR or so if that season lasted another hundred games.

    Meanwhile, the Dodgers have won 458 in the Mookie Era, plus 31 more in the postseasons (while the Red Sox won 359 total).

    Henry dodged a bullet there. imagine the grief fans and JH would had to endure with THAT contract.

    6 hours ago, Bellhorn04 said:

    I'd make the cutoff $200 mill.  Scherzer and Greinke were both very good.

    Also I think it's fair to grade contracts that are least 5 years in and still look good, like Harper's and Mookie's.

    IMHO.

    I almost added those two on the almost ready to grade list. I agree, they both look like they will end up as good deals for the team and fans.

    6 hours ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

    Here's a quote from the "Pay Mookie!" thread, now almost four years old:

    "I feel Mookie's career and contract will be defined by his performance over the next half decade, during which time I fully expect him to produce another 30 WAR and lead his new club to at least 450 wins. If he helps win another World Series, it will be worth it to that franchise and its fan base."

    Man, was I ever off on that one -- Betts only has 27.4 WAR since joining LA... although, since he led all of baseball with 3.6 WAR in 55 games in 2020, maybe he would've earned another 3 WAR or so if that season lasted another hundred games.

    Meanwhile, the Dodgers have won 458 in the Mookie Era, plus 31 more in the postseasons (while the Red Sox won 359 total).

    It takes a real man to admit being that wrong!

    😜

     

    14 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

    He will probably be paid 45M AAV. That's close to what his annual value is per FanGraphs now, but what about the last 7-8 years of the deal? Will he Albert Pujols? One injury and that contract is a freaking anchor. You could split that contract in half and get 2 really good starting pitchers for it that could give you more value. 

    as much as I like Soto I am not sure he is a wise signing for the Sox

    7 hours ago, Randy Red Sox said:

    as much as I like Soto I am not sure he is a wise signing for the Sox

    Is this really a time for a fancy new car? Looks and runs great, but the old water boiler is starting to rust, and with winter coming, heat and hot water may be more of a priority. If the pipes freeze and crack, damages could also include new walls, furniture, and carpet.

    Plus, there's a bus stop right on the corner, and the train station is a block away. So do we really need a Maserati? Or even a Felger?

    All the reasons people don't want Soto are all the very same reasons I wouldn't want any position player free agent the last few years.  Those are all great arguments.  But Soto is different, I also don't believe you're signing a guy like Soto if you're frugal, if the Sox do make that kind of move it's a sign they're serious about competing again and likely hints they're going to be making other moves that will presumably strengthens the pitching on this team. 

    Soto isn't a luxury, he's one of the best players in baseball and he's becoming a free agent in his mid 20's.....that almost never happens, it's rare. We complain every year about the Sox not shopping at the top of the market, I welcome a return to investing heavily in the team.......if that does come to fruition. 

    I think it's great if the Sox really are all in on Soto.  But man, beating the Yanks, Mets and Dodgers for the prize is one tough ask.  Obviously it's imperative that Juan really does have some attraction to the Sox legacy.  

    As for the money part, you have to wonder what happens if Steve Cohen decides to go absolutely nutso and offer $750 mill or something like that.

    21 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

    I think it's great if the Sox really are all in on Soto.  But man, beating the Yanks, Mets and Dodgers for the prize is one tough ask.  Obviously it's imperative that Juan really does have some attraction to the Sox legacy.  

    As for the money part, you have to wonder what happens if Steve Cohen decides to go absolutely nutso and offer $750 mill or something like that.

    I don't think the Dodgers are in as much as people think they are.  I think it's really down to NYY NYM and BOS.  Boston actually has a tax advantage over the city.  

    If NY gave Soto 650 million the Sox would only have to offer 600 million to counter.

    Soto also apparently wants to be "the man" wherever he signs, he will have that in Boston where's he will not have it in NY.  If the Sox are serious about spending again, and they've eluded in the past that they would if they thought the could compete then they can sell that to Soto.  It's probably why they pointed out their #1 farm system to him.  He's going to be coming on board and playing with this young core, and if they add pitching to the equation Boston can jump right into a window of competitiveness.  The A.L. isn't strong.........it's there if they want it. 




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