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    A Plea For The Red Sox To Sign Juan Soto


    Maddie Landis

    It's great to look for surplus value, to be strategic, and to sign players who suit your roster needs. But you know what else is great? Getting the best player on the market.

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     “It’s expensive to sign baseball players,” John Henry once said, much to the chagrin of Red Sox fans. Henry’s statement rings true. Free agent contract values are increasing each year. Last offseason, Shohei Ohtani signed a 10-year, $700-million contract to play for the Los Angeles Dodgers, which broke the previous record for the most expensive professional sports contract. Previously, Mike Trout’s 12-year, $426.5-million extension was the largest contract in baseball. 

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    Due to the COVID-19 pandemic, the free agent market dipped following the 2020 season. Free agents affected by the shortened pandemic season “only” inked $1.36 billion total in contracts. However, since then, the total value of free-agent contracts has risen steadily. Some players, arguably, aren’t worth their gargantuan contracts. Others are. 

    Twenty-six-year-old future Hall of Famers like Juan Soto seldom enters free agency. The Athletic projects that Soto will garner a 12-year, $540-million contract. He’s worth every penny, and the Red Sox must pursue him. 

    Sure, money is paramount to Soto, but winning comes in at a close second. It’s important to point out that the Red Sox are behemoths in recent World Series history. Since 2004, they have a 16-3 record in the World Series. On the other hand, the Yankees possess a 5-6 record. Sniping the Yankees' primary offseason target is a dub by itself.

    The Yankees' core is not sustainable. The World Series accentuated their roster construction flaws, from their shoddy defense to their inefficiency on the basepaths. Moreover, the Yankees have the second-oldest roster in the league at an average age of 29.3. Their roster is constrained by several aging superstars in the middle of expensive, long-term contracts. Gerrit Cole (34), Carlos Rodón (31), and Giancarlo Stanton (34) are being paid at least $25 million per year until 2027 or 2028. Aaron Judge has about $280 million remaining on his contract.

    As I mentioned earlier, Juan Soto is 26 years old. He’s two years younger than Rafael Devers, Jarren Duran, Tanner Houck, Kutter Crawford, and Garrett Whitlock. Soto has shown that his floor is an All-Star caliber player in six MLB seasons. His ceiling is a perennial top-10 MVP candidate and Silver Slugger winner.

    Soto would be “just another guy” in the crowded dugouts of the Yankees or Dodgers clubhouse, but he could be the star of the Red Sox. The Red Sox have a young homegrown core. Any egregious long-term contracts don’t saddle the organization. They have a strong farm system. Sustainable contention looms over the horizon, but they need someone to push them over from mediocrity. 

    Over the past couple of seasons, it seems like the Red Sox are banking on the Big Four to impact the major-league roster immediately. Putting all their eggs in one basket is a risky move. At the very least, one of the Big Four will break out in the majors. Allocating some, not all, of their resources toward a generational talent provides them with a backup plan and insurance in case any of their prospects fail to perform in the majors. 

    Opponents argue, “But Soto is a left-handed hitter! The team has too many lefties!” The roster is notably lefty-heavy, but it’s not like the Red Sox lefties can’t hit against left-handed pitching. Triston Casas and Rafael Devers hold 114 and 98 wRC+ career splits against southpaws.

    Soto is frequently likened to Ted Williams for a reason. He has no trouble hitting the ball, regardless of a pitcher’s handedness. Look at his career splits against left-handed pitching. 

    Career

    BA

    OBP

    SLG

    RBI

    HR

    K%

    wRC+

    vs LHP

    .268

    .383

    .475

    191

    56

    18.0

    135

    Wouldn't you like to see the second coming of Ted Williams spend the rest of his career in Fenway Park? Slotting Soto into the lineup would exacerbate the lefty-dominant nature of the lineup, but his career splits mark a substantial improvement over Ceddanne Rafaela (62 wRC+), Masataka Yoshida (84 wRC+), and Jarren Duran (88 wRC+).

    It's also important to remember that injuries were part of the reason the lineup was so lefty-heavy. The holes Vaughn Grissom and Trevor Story left in the infield were filled by left-handed batters David Hamilton, Dom Smith, and Enmanuel Valdez , creating a false narrative that the lineup is too reliant on left-handed batters. It should look a little more balanced next year with (fingers crossed) healthy seasons from Trevor Story and Vaughn Grissom. 

    Assuming Wilyer Abreu is traded, imagine this lineup:

    1. CF Jarren Duran (L)
    2. LF Juan Soto (L)
    3. 3B Rafael Devers (L)
    4. 1B Triston Casas (L)
    5. SS Trevor Story (R)
    6. DH Masataka Yoshida (L)
    7. C Connor Wong (R)
    8. RF Ceddanne Rafaela (R)
    9. 2B Vaughn Grissom (R)

    Beautiful, no? 

    Along with Triston Casas and Masataka Yoshida, Soto will exasperate opposing pitchers, driving pitch counts up and opposing managers insane.

    Soto could provide some cushion for Raffy and alleviate him from the burden/expectation of carrying the team’s offense. Despite being the team’s highest-paid player and the face of the franchise, Devers is notably reserved and shies away from the media. He’s not an outspoken leader, preferring to stay quiet and let his work speak for itself. This is fine, but the Boston media is intense and passionate. Soto is a showy performer and doesn’t shy away from the spotlight. By taking center stage in the organization, he would reduce pressure from the media. 

    Lefties with opposite field power can take advantage of the Green Monster and Soto is no exception. He pulled the ball more frequently while playing in Yankee Stadium last year, but he's capable of spraying the ball all over the field.

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    Soto would pepper Lansdowne Street with home runs. He could easily hit 50+ home runs playing 81 games at Fenway each year. Heck, he might surpass David Ortiz’s single-season record of 54 home runs.

    Speaking of which, like David Ortiz, Soto is Dominican. He plays for the Dominican World Baseball team. The Red Sox have a strong history of Dominican baseball stars. Pedro Martinez, David Ortiz, and Manny Ramirez’s contributions to the 2004 Red Sox will never be forgotten. This past spring, the organization recently updated its Dominican Academy and played an exhibition series in Santo Domingo (Soto’s hometown). Juan Soto grew up idolizing Manny, Pedro, and Big Papi. Why not join Rafael Devers and Brayan Bello to form a new Dominican trio?

    Smart investments matter for sustainable contention. You can’t put a brand-new 2025 Ferrari 812 GTS engine in a 1995 PT Cruiser and expect the car to run smoothly. You also can’t keep “fixing” glaring holes with Band-Aids and expect a winning product on the field. The Red Sox indicated they’ll stop cosplaying as a small market team and are ready to spend. Simply spending for the sake of spending isn’t sustainable. They must be cognizant of where they're allocating their resources. 

    That said, the Red Sox have a list of things that need fixing in the offseason. Their outfield was a bright spot on the team and doesn’t necessarily need any additional help.  However, landing a generational talent like Soto should take precedence over their other issues, and the Red Sox must be proactive. Pursue Soto and let the rest of the roster sort itself out.

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    9 hours ago, vjcsmoke said:

    Soto is a generational player and talent. I would offer 12/630. That's 52.5m a year. That gives him the length he wants and a healthy annual salary. If the Yankees are going to beat us to him at least make them pay through the nose for the privilege.

    To me Soto has the feel of Alex Rodriguez. Whoever lands him will dominate the division for a decade and win multiple World Series.  I don't think our ownership has the balls to put their wallets where their mouths are.

    Alex Rodriguez?  The Yanks only won one World Series with him and he was generally regarded as a disappointment or worse by Yankee fans.  And Red Sox fans have always been pretty happy that trade didn't go through.  

    8 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

    Alex Rodriguez?  The Yanks only won one World Series with him and he was generally regarded as a disappointment or worse by Yankee fans.  And Red Sox fans have always been pretty happy that trade didn't go through.  

    And for the first 5 years after he arrived in NY he was the best player in the game with 3 MVPs and two more elite seasons. He was fine for 8 years.  

    Arod was also 2 years older when he started playing in NY, you’d be getting more of Soto in his prime.

    hes going to get an opt out and only be somewhere for 3-5 years anyways so who cares. If Arod sucked when he was 37

    19 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

    Alex Rodriguez?  The Yanks only won one World Series with him and he was generally regarded as a disappointment or worse by Yankee fans.  And Red Sox fans have always been pretty happy that trade didn't go through.  

    ARod should've been more highly regarded. When he joined New York, he deferred to royalty by moving to third base, even though he was clearly the better shortstop: through 2003, 9.4 dWAR vs. -2.0 dWAR for Jetes. Plus, ARod won three AL MVPs, two as a Yankee, to Jeter's zero.

    But Alex was a tool, slapping the ball out of Bronson Arroyo's glove, yelling "I got it!" as a baserunner to distract infielders, sticking needles in his butt, getting suspended. Ya, that.

    For Yankees fans, it always comes down to the perception of ARod being unclutch -- which is unfortunately more prevalent than the other way around in sports since only one team wins the last game (in baseball, that's what, 25 guys out of 750)...

    ... and Jeter has five rings, and will forever be the hero who threw out Giambi with a backhand flip, and face-whomped into a chair, after catching a pop-up and then running 25 yards before diving into the stands.

     

     

    1 hour ago, Hugh2 said:

    And for the first 5 years after he arrived in NY he was the best player in the game with 3 MVPs and two more elite seasons. He was fine for 8 years.  

    Arod was also 2 years older when he started playing in NY, you’d be getting more of Soto in his prime.

    hes going to get an opt out and only be somewhere for 3-5 years anyways so who cares. If Arod sucked when he was 37

    In spite of his obvious talent, I don't think ARod is the ideal comp for most Sox fans when they're thinking about Soto.

     

    55 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

    ... and Jeter has five rings, and will forever be the hero who threw out Giambi with a backhand flip, and face-whomped into a chair, after catching a pop-up and then running 25 yards before diving into the stands.

     

     

    Sox fans mock Jeter for dramatizing on that play.  Yankee fans mock Schilling for putting fake blood on his sock.

     

    1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

    Sox fans mock Jeter for dramatizing on that play.  Yankee fans mock Schilling for putting fake blood on his sock.

     

    That '04 Yankee team never gets mocked enough, though, for not bunting -- even one time -- on a crippled pitcher, at home, in front of a rabid crowd, with only a trip to the World Series on the line. At least they chose an honorable choke.

    I never really look at '04 as the Yankees choking.  I'll settle for it being an incredible comeback assisted by some remarkable good fortune, as if the baseball Gods finally decided to take mercy and pay the Sox back for all the bad breaks and dumb moves over the years.

    Game 4

    Rivera blowing the save

    Game 5

    a) Tito leaving Pedro in too long, almost Grady-esque in letting Pedro face Matsui with the score 4-2 Yankees and 2 men on.  Matsui smokes a sinking liner that Nixon makes the catch of his life on.

    b)Torre makes the worst move of his career, bringing in Gordon instead of Rivera in the 8th.  Rivera would end up pitching 2 innings anyway.

    c) Tony Clark's ground-rule double that would have scored Sierra if it didn't bounce over the fence.

    d) The adventures of Wakefield and Varitek.   

    Game 6

    a) Schilling's amazing recovery or whatever you want to call it. 

    b) The umps getting it right twice without replays.

     

    14 hours ago, vjcsmoke said:

    Soto is a generational player and talent. I would offer 12/630. That's 52.5m a year. That gives him the length he wants and a healthy annual salary. If the Yankees are going to beat us to him at least make them pay through the nose for the privilege.

    To me Soto has the feel of Alex Rodriguez. Whoever lands him will dominate the division for a decade and win multiple World Series.  I don't think our ownership has the balls to put their wallets where their mouths are.

    at 62 million/yr for 12 yrs with Roman Anthony on the horizon.  I sure as hell hope NOT

    1 hour ago, Randy Red Sox said:

    at 62 million/yr for 12 yrs with Roman Anthony on the horizon.  I sure as hell hope NOT

    Honestly, why not just do 675/15? Get the AVV down to 45, and he’s likely going to have an opt out around year 4-5 anyways.  

    If you really want to go there another comp for Soto is Big Papi. They are both from Dominican Republic, they carry big bats, and they aren't afraid to be big time personalities in the clubhouse and in front of the press.

    I know baseball economics has gone crazy, but you gotta pay what it takes to sign generational players when they become available.

    This would help a LOT to get over Mookie Betts fiasco.

    And no, I'm not skipping adding a generational talent to our roster in the hopes that a green kid playing in Worcester might take the step up to the big team in a year or two. Roman Anthony looks nice but he's not a Soto. He could turn somewhere north or south of Ellsbury, Benintendi, or Josh Reddick for all we know.

    14 hours ago, vjcsmoke said:

    If you really want to go there another comp for Soto is Big Papi. They are both from Dominican Republic, they carry big bats, and they aren't afraid to be big time personalities in the clubhouse and in front of the press.

    I know baseball economics has gone crazy, but you gotta pay what it takes to sign generational players when they become available.

    This would help a LOT to get over Mookie Betts fiasco.

    And no, I'm not skipping adding a generational talent to our roster in the hopes that a green kid playing in Worcester might take the step up to the big team in a year or two. Roman Anthony looks nice but he's not a Soto. He could turn somewhere north or south of Ellsbury, Benintendi, or Josh Reddick for all we know.

    Agreed with all.  Just to add : another possibility is that both Soto and Anthony have great careers for the sox. You want Soto regardless of whether Anthony becomes a superstar.

    On 11/24/2024 at 8:05 AM, Hugh2 said:

    And for the first 5 years after he arrived in NY he was the best player in the game with 3 MVPs and two more elite seasons. He was fine for 8 years.  

    Arod was also 2 years older when he started playing in NY, you’d be getting more of Soto in his prime.

    hes going to get an opt out and only be somewhere for 3-5 years anyways so who cares. If Arod sucked when he was 37

    In the context of signing Soto to 12-14 years, I do not think  the ARod comp is a good one. I'd hope we get more than 5-6 really good years.

    So the Red Sox have officially made an offer to Juan Soto as per NESN article: https://nesn.com/2024/11/red-sox-rumors-when-boston-submitted-contract-offer-for-juan-soto/

    Fingers crossed that it was a generous and competitive package instead of the usual penny pinching, lowball offers the Red Sox have been giving free agents in previous years.

    Now we'll have to wait and see how this develops. I'm sure if the bid from the Red Sox was LOW, the news will eventually leak.

    4 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

    It's been so long on seeing us make the best offer on a real stud.

    I'll believe it, when I see it.

    I believe they'll make a strong offer, but it wont be a blank check, and it may be a blank check from the Mets.  Should that be the case, first of all, bummer.  Second of all, at least its then easier to justify getting one (or maybe 2) of the top 3 FA starters.  

    Personally, I think Id rather get 1 of Burnes, Fried, Snell and get another starter via trade (than 2 of the aforementioned 3).  I do think that if they miss on Soto, they will get a potent bat somewhere (whether it be Hernandez, Adames, Bregman, Guerrero, Alonso)....Someone (along with a top 3 starter).

    Or at least make "strong" offers. And I dont mean "make an offer to say you did" (like our half-hearted attempt to get Teoscar last year). I mean a real effort, but you dont know where the chips will fall.

    Thats obvs worst case (and not in small part because it would be a continuation of a trend) - falling just short with competitive offers but falling short and falling back to the mid-tiers on inflated AAVs because you fell short on the true difference makers.

    6 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

    In the context of signing Soto to 12-14 years, I do not think  the ARod comp is a good one. I'd hope we get more than 5-6 really good years.

    In the context of giving Soto 12-14 years, do you agree (at least in small part) that whatever we give Soto (lets say 50M per) will not be the top of the market in year 10?

    If Soto gets 50m in 2024, I predict that by 2030 - there will be 5-10 position players making 55M+ and by 2034 (deep into the deal) 50m per will be well above avg for a starting position player but no longer considered superstar money.

    I dont think inflation stops inflating next 10 years.

    If the Red Sox miss on Soto, they can pivot two ways to still have an offseason that can make them contenders, according to Russell Dorsey on MLB Network: sign Teoscar and a pitcher, and trade for another pitcher.

    1. sign Fried to top the rotation, trade for Gavin Williams to close... or

    2. trade for Crochet, sign Tanner Scott.

    None of those moves involves improving the defense, so I'd have to choose Option 2 and recruit the strikeout pitchers. Fried is more of a pitch-to-contact guy -- which is scary in Boston.

     

    7 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

    In the context of signing Soto to 12-14 years, I do not think  the ARod comp is a good one. I'd hope we get more than 5-6 really good years.

    Yeah, I wasn't the one who made that comp, I think the comp was made in that being a good player reaching fa when he was young.  Not my first choice, but even then if you did sign Arod starting at his age 26 season and used him as a comp.

     

    But I'll roll with the Arod comp just because someone threw it out there.  ARod gave you 7 elite seasons, not just really good but elite.  Followed by 4 above average and put up 68.7 FWar his next 11 seasons.  Even his last full season he put up a 2.5 at age 39, when they finally just DH'd him more because before that injury was really starting to get to him.  That's also starting at his age 26 season, which was actually 2 years before he got paid, you're getting 2 more years of Soto in his prime and by all accounts is 10X the human being Arod is. 

    I think the Sox offer is probably 4th out of the 5 offers. I think they made an offer just to show the fanbase that they "are back." I don't entirely believe the spending will actually increase all that much. Maybe they sign one TOTR starter like Fried or Burnes and call it a day. 

    2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

    I think the Sox offer is probably 4th out of the 5 offers. I think they made an offer just to show the fanbase that they "are back." I don't entirely believe the spending will actually increase all that much. Maybe they sign one TOTR starter like Fried or Burnes and call it a day. 

    They've certainly earned the skepticism.  

    Just now, Hugh2 said:

    Yeah, I wasn't the one who made that comp, I think the comp was made in that being a good player reaching fa when he was young.  Not my first choice, but even then if you did sign Arod starting at his age 26 season and used him as a comp.

     

    But I'll roll with the Arod comp just because someone threw it out there.  ARod gave you 7 elite seasons, not just really good but elite.  Followed by 4 above average and put up 68.7 FWar his next 11 seasons.  Even his last full season he put up a 2.5 at age 39, when they finally just DH'd him more because before that injury was really starting to get to him.  That's also starting at his age 26 season, which was actually 2 years before he got paid, you're getting 2 more years of Soto in his prime and by all accounts is 10X the human being Arod is. 

    The first ARod contract was a great deal. He was an all-time talent and hit the crap out of the ball from 01-09. It's a shame they moved him off of SS for Jeter. ARod ended his career with 117 bWAR! He's second only to Honus Wagner in SS bWAR. He had a career 140 OPS+, won 3 MVPs and was top 5 in MVP voting 6 times! That's just video game numbers. 

    9 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

    I think the Sox offer is probably 4th out of the 5 offers. I think they made an offer just to show the fanbase that they "are back." I don't entirely believe the spending will actually increase all that much. Maybe they sign one TOTR starter like Fried or Burnes and call it a day. 

    I really don't think anyone is going to think they're "back" until they actually sign someone.  We know it, they know it, and then know we know it.  And I know that they know that we know it. 

    No one is buying the bull s***. 

    I will say this.  The team has repeated the mantra over the years that they would spend when they have a talented young core to build around.  For the past 5 years they've gone from bloated aging payroll with zero farm, to s***** team with zero farm, to s***** team with a good farm, to .500 ball club loaded with budding young talent, more on the way and payroll space. 

    Even when they signed Devers, they said "this is the type of guy we want to sign" after failing to retain Bogaerts.  "type of guy" is young.  They have a young team and the opportunity to go after Soto, I think it's real and the crazy thing is if they do go out and spend this year, technically they will of ended up doing exactly what they've said they would do all along. 

    The only thing is, even if they're 100% for real and ready to spend and build this team into a winner again.  That doesn't make them the favorite, at best that puts them on par with NY/NY/LA.  So even then I'd say their odds to land Soto are 25% at best. 

    16 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

    The first ARod contract was a great deal. He was an all-time talent and hit the crap out of the ball from 01-09. It's a shame they moved him off of SS for Jeter. ARod ended his career with 117 bWAR! He's second only to Honus Wagner in SS bWAR. He had a career 140 OPS+, won 3 MVPs and was top 5 in MVP voting 6 times! That's just video game numbers. 

    Yeah, pretty incredible player, image largely undone by his steroid use, weird personality and number of postseason flops.  His 2009 postseason should have put it all to rest, but that too is tainted by steroid suspicions.  

    12 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

    I really don't think anyone is going to think they're "back" until they actually sign someone.  We know it, they know it, and then know we know it.  And I know that they know that we know it. 

    No one is buying the bull s***. 

    I will say this.  The team has repeated the mantra over the years that they would spend when they have a talented young core to build around.  For the past 5 years they've gone from bloated aging payroll with zero farm, to s***** team with zero farm, to s***** team with a good farm, to .500 ball club loaded with budding young talent, more on the way and payroll space. 

    Even when they signed Devers, they said "this is the type of guy we want to sign" after failing to retain Bogaerts.  "type of guy" is young.  They have a young team and the opportunity to go after Soto, I think it's real and the crazy thing is if they do go out and spend this year, technically they will of ended up doing exactly what they've said they would do all along. 

    The only thing is, even if they're 100% for real and ready to spend and build this team into a winner again.  That doesn't make them the favorite, at best that puts them on par with NY/NY/LA.  So even then I'd say their odds to land Soto are 25% at best. 

    Now is when they should be spending. We'll see if they actually do it. I think the extensions they agreed to last year were dumb and were solely meant to appease fans.




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