Boston Red Sox Took "Several Tries" To Obtain Zach Neto From Angels

[Old Red]

54 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Yeah, I'm comparing Durbin to what would have been a Romy/IKF/Hamilton platoon at 2b. I'll take Durbin. 

That’s fine too, and yes I’d take Durbin in that scenario too.

[moonslav59]

19 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Of course what the Angels wanted mattered...

Did your account get hacked? Because someone posted this just a few posts back...

 ...we don’t know the Angels asking price, so it doesn’t matter now....

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

Neto is 25. Not all players continue to grow after a certain age. The Angels don't have any other franchise player left. Just because we want him, doesn't mean the Angels were going to give him up for a reasonable package. 

Exactly. Why should they?

I'd like to know what the package was. Without knowing, it's hard to say the Durbin deal was better or worse.

[Old Red]

3 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Did your account get hacked? Because someone posted this just a few posts back...

 ...we don’t know the Angels asking price, so it doesn’t matter now....

I already explained that. 

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

It's not a comparison since we don't know the trade package. If they had to trade Mayer, you'd have to factor Mayer AND Durbin AND Tolle AND whoever else vs Neto. 

If they were demanding Mayer, then we'd still have an infield opening. If they wanted Arias plus Tolle or Early, I'm not sure I'd like that deal more than the Durbin steal deal. Arias + Witherspoon? I'd probably say yes, despite Witherspoon's upside. With Neto, I'd be more willing to part with Arias.

[Old Red]

3 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

If they were demanding Mayer, then we'd still have an infield opening. If they wanted Arias plus Tolle or Early, I'm not sure I'd like that deal more than the Durbin steal deal. Arias + Witherspoon? I'd probably say yes, despite Witherspoon's upside. With Neto, I'd be more willing to part with Arias.

If, if, if. MH accepted Neto, for Anthony, and Tolle.

[moonslav59]

32 minutes ago, Old Red said:

If, if, if. MH accepted Neto, for Anthony, and Tolle.

Who is MH, and is he insane?

[JoeBrady]

4 hours ago, Old Red said:

As I keep saying after the Red Sox settle once again

Durbin, imo, is a very good 'settle'.  And I wouldn't put much thought into the Neto part.  He is a top-tier young player.  A team like the LAA weren't going to trade their only good player unless we absolutely overwhelmed them.

[JoeBrady]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

Didn’t get him is the theme here.

I doubt it works like that.  Maybe for the LAD, who are simply going to outbid everyone.  But even teams like the Mets target a guy, but will let him go.  You have to think in terms of the positions they are targeting, and the value of the targets.

Alonso cost $31M.  Contreras, Suarez and Durbin cost us $44M and some minor pieces.  I'd rather have our side.

[Old Red]

17 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

Durbin, imo, is a very good 'settle'.  And I wouldn't put much thought into the Neto part.  He is a top-tier young player.  A team like the LAA weren't going to trade their only good player unless we absolutely overwhelmed them.

I get all that, but it still seems the Red Sox made several attempts to get him.

[Old Red]

1 minute ago, JoeBrady said:

I doubt it works like that.  Maybe for the LAD, who are simply going to outbid everyone.  But even teams like the Mets target a guy, but will let him go.  You have to think in terms of the positions they are targeting, and the value of the targets.

Alonso cost $31M.  Contreras, Suarez and Durbin cost us $44M and some minor pieces.  I'd rather have our side.

Once again I get all that, but the Red Sox went after Alonso first, and Ranger is not on the team if Bregman who was their ist  choice was signed. Like I said it all may work out for the best, but then again it might not.

[moonslav59]

22 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I get all that, but it still seems the Red Sox made several attempts to get him.

I'm glad we kept trying, and maybe the demands were too overwhelming. Maybe not.

[moonslav59]

18 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Once again I get all that, but the Red Sox went after Alonso first, and Ranger is not on the team if Bregman who was their ist  choice was signed. Like I said it all may work out for the best, but then again it might not.

They may have "went after Alosno first," because he was about to sign, and we had to decide. I think Bregman was always our top choice, and that is why we would not bid highly for Alonso.

I doubt we'd get both, but with no Contreras ($18M) I K-F ($6m) and no Suarez ($24M), maybe we could have afforded both. Maybe not. We may have had to have said no to Gray to get Alonso & Bregman. I'd rather have Suarez and Breggie or Suarez and Alonso than two everyday players and just Oviedo.

[Old Red]

4 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

They may have "went after Alosno first," because he was about to sign, and we had to decide. I think Bregman was always our top choice, and that is why we would not bid highly for Alonso.

I doubt we'd get both, but with no Contreras ($18M) I K-F ($6m) and no Suarez ($24M), maybe we could have afforded both. Maybe not. We may have had to have said no to Gray to get Alonso & Bregman. I'd rather have Suarez and Breggie or Suarez and Alonso than two everyday players and just Oviedo.

I agree on the Alonso, and Bregman scenario.

[JoeBrady]

33 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I get all that, but it still seems the Red Sox made several attempts to get him.

We don't know for sure, but I doubt there were any serious talks.  My guess is that Breslow called, and LAA said 'Sure he's available.  Arias, Witherspoon, Tolle, Early and some scraps'.  The Breslow counters and LAA says' okay, keep the scraps, but we want your four best prospects'.

Seeing how LAA operates, I see no way they trade their best and most popular player for anything other than highway robbery.

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, Old Red said:

I agree on the Alonso, and Bregman scenario.

I really wanted Alonso and maybe more than Bregman, but once we lost out on both, I was happy with the pivot to Suarez. Had we added Neto, Paredes or KMarte, we'd be stronger than with Durbin- for a while, anyway.

Let's see how improved pitching and defense works out. Can it outweigh the dynamic of losing 1000 PAs from Devers, Breggie and Ref and adding maybe 600 from Contreras and maybe 400 more from Anthony. 

[JoeBrady]

11 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

They may have "went after Alosno first," because he was about to sign, and we had to decide.

That makes sense.  I liken it to fantasy BB.  I have a list of guys I want, at various values.  I like Crochet, but not as a top-8 pick.  But I will grab him at maybe #12.  I don't like Tucker, but if he falls to #20, I might have to pick him.

My guess is that Bres liked Bergman at a cost, but had 6-7 names right underneath him.  In fact, I'd go so far as to say Bres had already talked to the Cards about Contreras and factored in Contreras' cost in his Alonso bid.

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

We don't know for sure, but I doubt there were any serious talks.  My guess is that Breslow called, and LAA said 'Sure he's available.  Arias, Witherspoon, Tolle, Early and some scraps'.  The Breslow counters and LAA says' okay, keep the scraps, but we want your four best prospects'.

Seeing how LAA operates, I see no way they trade their best and most popular player for anything other than highway robbery.

I doubt they wanted all 4 of those prospects, but if so, the answer was a no brainer- NO!

I would not trade 3 of those 4.

I don't trade 2, if they were both Tolle & Early.

[moonslav59]

Just now, JoeBrady said:

That makes sense.  I liken it to fantasy BB.  I have a list of guys I want, at various values.  I like Crochet, but not as a top-8 pick.  But I will grab him at maybe #12.  I don't like Tucker, but if he falls to #20, I might have to pick him.

My guess is that Bres liked Bergman at a cost, but had 6-7 names right underneath him.  In fact, I'd go so far as to say Bres had already talked to the Cards about Contreras and factored in Contreras' cost in his Alonso bid.

For what we gave up for Contreras, I think it was the right choice, but the context  of not adding another big bat is what hurts the most. 

I like that we improved a lot on defense and with pitching, and overall we are plus over 2025, but I had hopes for bigger gains and more focused additions. I like saying quality over quantity. While many of Brez's trades were sideways, we basically added 5-6 pieces, instead of the the 3-4 higher quality guys I hoped for.

Suarez, Gray and oviedo could have just been Suarez or Suarez and Oviedo. (1 or 2 not 3)

Contreras, Durbin & I K-F could have been Neto and Contreras or Alonso & Durbin, or Bregman and Contreras. (2 not 3.)

[Old Red]

19 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

We don't know for sure, but I doubt there were any serious talks.  My guess is that Breslow called, and LAA said 'Sure he's available.  Arias, Witherspoon, Tolle, Early and some scraps'.  The Breslow counters and LAA says' okay, keep the scraps, but we want your four best prospects'.

Seeing how LAA operates, I see no way they trade their best and most popular player for anything other than highway robbery.

Several attempts sounds serious to me. I trust McAdams on this.

[mvp 78]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

I get all that, but it still seems the Red Sox made several attempts to get him.

The Red Sox should have made several attempts to acquire every good MIFer in the league over the offseason. That one of them was Zach Neto isn't surprising to me or makes me thinking differently of the Durbin trade. 

[mvp 78]

11 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Several attempts sounds serious to me. I trust McAdams on this.

Who? 

[mvp 78]

2 hours ago, Old Red said:

The point being that it seems the REd Sox apparently wanted Neto pretty bad, and didn’t get him. I believe Alonso was their ist choice for 1B, and didn’t get him. Bregman was their Plan A above everything else, and didn’t get him. Didn’t get him is the theme here.

If they went after Alonso before Bregman, wouldn't Alonso be Plan A? 

[moonslav59]

6 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

If they went after Alonso before Bregman, wouldn't Alonso be Plan A? 

No.

[Old Red]

24 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

If they went after Alonso before Bregman, wouldn't Alonso be Plan A? 

No! I said Alonso was their first choice for 1B, but Bregman was Plan A above EVERYTHING else. Alonso was ready to sign first as Moon already pointed out, so once again NO.

[Old Red]

31 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

The Red Sox should have made several attempts to acquire every good MIFer in the league over the offseason. That one of them was Zach Neto isn't surprising to me or makes me thinking differently of the Durbin trade. 

That’s for you, but I would rather have Neto than Durbin. Yes I know Neto would have cost more to get, and more to keep, but I’m not concerned about that like most are on here.

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, Old Red said:

No! I said Alonso was their first choice for 1B, but Bregman was Plan A above EVERYTHING else. Alonso was ready to sign first as Moon already pointed out, so once again NO.

Less than two weeks later we traded for Contreras. (Yes, Alonso was first choice at 1B, but the limits of wanting to also sign Breggie- their plan A- probably kept them for getting both.)

[moonslav59]

6 minutes ago, Old Red said:

That’s for you, but I would rather have Neto than Durbin. Yes I know Neto would have cost more to get, and more to keep, but I’m not concerned about that like most are on here.

Are you saying you'd have given Arias, Tolle and Early for Neto? (3 "suspects" for a 2 year wonder/proven asset)

[Old Red]

Just now, moonslav59 said:

Less than two weeks later we traded for Contreras. (Yes, Alonso was first choice at 1B, but the limits of wanting to also sign Breggie- their plan A- probably kept them for getting both.)

I agree, and as I mentioned at the time I think the offer to Alonso would have been better if the Red Sox knew at the time they wouldn’t be getting Bregman.

[Old Red]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

Are you saying you'd have give Arias, Tolle and Early? (3 "suspects" for a 2 year wonder/proven asset)

I didn’t say anything of the sort. I just said I’m not as concerned as most on here on whom the Red Sox trade like Duran, or Abreu, or some of the suspects.