Article: Mookie Betts 2.0: Rafael Devers Trade Continues Harrowing Red Sox Tradition

[Bellhorn04]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

I think we all look at it under slightly different lenses. I don't think any of us are necessarily wrong. 

Heck no, we're all just guessing our asses off the way we always do.  

[Hugh2]

39 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

That sounds pro-Devers and I have absolutely no problem with it.  I'm fine with the trade, but am positive Breslow lied to Devers and generally screwed him over.  The Giants should do the opposite.  

again, I don't think Breslow is a liar.  He's not the one who made that promise to Dever. 

If someone hired me to run an organization, and I go in with a plan I try to execute it.  If that goes against someone else plan before me I certainly try to handle it in a decent way but if there's no middle ground.  I let that person go.  It's very telling that the F.O. is seemingly in Breslows corner in this.  As I've said before, I'm sure it could have been handled differently but at the end of the day sometimes parting ways is just the right thing to do. 

It's like when a relationship ends.  Sometimes people outgrow each other, it's not like there always has to be one definitive bad guy and that's where I think a lot of people are getting hung up here.  Someone has to be the bad guy, we all love someone to blame. 

[mvp 78]

9 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

again, I don't think Breslow is a liar.  He's not the one who made that promise to Dever. 

If someone hired me to run an organization, and I go in with a plan I try to execute it.  If that goes against someone else plan before me I certainly try to handle it in a decent way but if there's no middle ground.  I let that person go.  It's very telling that the F.O. is seemingly in Breslows corner in this.  As I've said before, I'm sure it could have been handled differently but at the end of the day sometimes parting ways is just the right thing to do. 

It's like when a relationship ends.  Sometimes people outgrow each other, it's not like there always has to be one definitive bad guy and that's where I think a lot of people are getting hung up here.  Someone has to be the bad guy, we all love someone to blame. 

I think the "lie" was when Breslow told Devers that there was no truth in them trying to sign Bregman. 

[Maxbialystock]

41 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

Heck no, we're all just guessing our asses off the way we always do.  

Too true.  But I'm pretty sure Raffy was not told about losing the 3b position until spring training.  And I'm pretty sure that Cora sold him on DH, where Raffy wasn't as good as JDM or Big Papi, but he was still awfully good.   So my villain is Breslow and maybe Kennedy.

But right now I really don't care because I agree with the trade and like where the Sox are.  They've won 6 straight without Bregman, without Abreu, and with not much help from Devers.  This 6 game winning streak is much needed and fantastic and all because of the pitching.  Anyone could have DH'd for Devers and the Sox still win all 6.   If the Giants taking over Raffy's salary allows Breslow to get another starter like Crochet, I'm all for it.  

Time will tell us a lot more, as it always does.  

[Maxbialystock]

30 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

again, I don't think Breslow is a liar.  He's not the one who made that promise to Dever. 

If someone hired me to run an organization, and I go in with a plan I try to execute it.  If that goes against someone else plan before me I certainly try to handle it in a decent way but if there's no middle ground.  I let that person go.  It's very telling that the F.O. is seemingly in Breslows corner in this.  As I've said before, I'm sure it could have been handled differently but at the end of the day sometimes parting ways is just the right thing to do. 

It's like when a relationship ends.  Sometimes people outgrow each other, it's not like there always has to be one definitive bad guy and that's where I think a lot of people are getting hung up here.  Someone has to be the bad guy, we all love someone to blame. 

I support Breslow too.  I blame him for Devers being po'd, but that was probably going to happen anyway when Bregman took over at 3b.  I like Breslow more than Bloom, but some of that is because JH allowed him to go after both Bregman and Crochet.  Keeping Raffy as a DH was too expensive.  

As others have said, the Giants are sure to learn from this and figure out a better way to get Devers to 1b.  

[Maxbialystock]

3 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

What do you mean that I "bulked up" Raffy's number? 

His OPS is .905, not 1.000.  And it's been going down steadily since Bregman's injury.  I loved having him at DH, even for the whole season, but agree he would have to play 1b to justify the $330M.  

Needing a great bat to replace Casas was absolute baloney because he was having a bad year before the injury.  

I think it's fine to have enjoyed Raffy while he was with the Sox and to agree with the trade.  Breslow might be a fibber, but I like where this team is going.,  He screwed up on Sale, but Giolito, like Frankenstein, now seems to be alive.  I watched almost all of his pitches last night and thought his heater and breaking stuff were both working.  10 K's ain't hay, especially when 3 of them came with the bases loaded.  Now all the Sox need to do is keep hermits and torches away from him.  

[Hitch]

42 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I think the "lie" was when Breslow told Devers that there was no truth in them trying to sign Bregman. 

Yeah this, and - we want Bregman to play 2nd base.

Stupid, unnecessary, and easily avoided. But after that, it's all Cora and mostly Devers.

[TedYazPapiMookie]

On 6/17/2025 at 3:02 PM, mvp 78 said:

I think the "lie" was when Breslow told Devers that there was no truth in them trying to sign Bregman. 

Devers has no right to know what Breslow is going to do with respect to making trades.  If he misled Devers at all due to his curiosity that was just smart baseball because leaking the Bregman deal could have ruined the deal.

 

[mvp 78]

40 minutes ago, TedYazPapiMookie said:

Devers has no right to know what Breslow is going to do with respect to making trades.  If he misled Devers at all due to his curiosity that was just smart baseball because leaking the Bregman deal could have ruined the deal.

 

Devers, a guy being paid franchise altering money, has no right to know the plans about his future? That doesn’t make sense to me.

[TedYazPapiMookie]

7 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Devers, a guy being paid franchise altering money, has no right to know the plans about his future? That doesn’t make sense to me.

It's not his job and he lacks the maturity to fulfill the role of team leader.  He leads by trying to achieve goals not by being a great example for younger players.  

Breslow has been praised by many in the media for keeping a lid on his deals.  I don't understand what's so hard to understand.   

Devers isn't a Yaz or a Williams who earned the respect of the franchise to have trades run by them.  Devers is just a slightly above average hitter with no defensive skills.  He never took the time to learn to speak English playing on an American baseball team.  Nothing about Devers was about team.  It was always about Devers.  I am so glad he is gone.  One more expulsion and this clubhouse might be cohesive like it should be.  Bregman and Crochet need to pick up where Mookie, Bogey and JD left off as the leaders.  Even they wouldn't be consulted by Breslow if he wanted to make a trade.  They haven't earned it.